works on a decent number of minions
#questions-and-help
little swift
little swift
and if you're a Lalafell
cyan fable
thank you 
little swift
they sit on your head
cyan fable
Oh thats so cute
twilit arch
not all minions will respond to beckon though
certain ones like Tight-beaked parrot decide to sit on your shoulder when they want to
cyan fable
Oh, is that what it means when it says "Independent"?
leaden ginkgo
Other minions like the slime have different unique interactions.
For example if you /poke the Slime it melts.
leaden ginkgo
You must register through the free trial page.
tacit atlas
What does it say when he tries to get in the trial launcher?
leaden ginkgo
little swift
!faq freetrial
zinc orbitBOT
little swift
make sure they have the trial client downloaded
tender stag
I did told him to do that
little swift
and also that he has made a mogstation account
lost grove
Are there any sam/nin guides since these two r my main dps
twilit arch
!faq samguide
zinc orbitBOT
twilit arch
!faq ninguide
zinc orbitBOT
lost grove
Ty
fringe whale
Having 100% spirit bond by itself doesn't do anything right?
It's just a thing that tells me I can extract?
spare plinth
how do i increase my item level for my other classes
twilit arch
yep, just there to indicate you can extract materia from that gear
spare plinth
sch and whm im using the gear set given at level 50
twilit arch
can buy ironworks gear with poetics from the girls in mor dhona or the sundry vendors in the 3 starting cities (assuming you finished a realm reborn)
spare plinth
the whole set?
fringe whale
Does making HQ items increases spiritbond gain?
spare plinth
apparently its cheaper to buy the ironworks weapon at rev toll?
twilit arch
actually...sorry yes, HQ does spiritbond at a slightly faster rate
fast hull
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tacit atlas
Hmm
twilit arch
it doesn't matter where you buy it from
tacit atlas
That's mor dhona lol
twilit arch
its the same cost at mor dhona vendor or sundry
spare plinth
oh i was looking at the magitek sword
tacit atlas
Ye
twilit arch
but it ultimately comes out to the same cost as all the other weapons
spare plinth
castrum meridianum and praetorium are good places to farm poetics?
shrewd mirage
Is Eureka Pagos soloable?
spare plinth
duty roulette too?
tacit atlas
Only on msq roulette
spare plinth
main scenario?
twilit arch
I believe its still 20%
twilit arch
!faq poetics
zinc orbitBOT
twilit arch
second link goes over various ways to farm poetics
tacit atlas
If you mean doing everything by yourself somehow
fringe whale
How do you guys deal with this mess?
tacit atlas
Then uhh
Not sure how you would even achieve to play literally alone there
Right click>sort
lol
fringe whale
OH
little swift
if your crafters are lv30+ you can use the old gear for desynthesis
and start grinding that out too
fringe whale
Is it ok to not leveling say, Culinary, if I am ok to live with the fact that I will have to buy food off market
tacit atlas
I mean
spare plinth
wondrous tails?
fringe whale
Are there any end game/high level contents (food in this case) that I can't get off the market if I don''t level it myself?
tacit atlas
Like, literally can't buy?
fringe whale
Yes.
little swift
not really, food and raid pots are in large supply at least during the tiers
tacit atlas
Not really
little swift
raid foods aren't a necessity either if you're not doing savage+
neither is potting
tacit atlas
If you want a reason to level it up
fringe whale
For glamour, I can generally craft any equipments that are given out as quest rewards right?
For the same look, not necessarily the exact item.
twilit arch
most of the msq rewards are crafted HQ items, yeah
twilit arch
though most of those items are also on a vendor somewhere as well
elder meteor
anyone know if the aesthete's gear will gain spiritbond crafting 80** materials?
tacit atlas
Yes
fringe whale
Yeah. I had a really cool looking chest piece from quest that I got rid of early on and I am kind of regretting it.
tacit atlas
Just kind of more slowly than other gear
elder meteor
cool. just wanted to check to make sure it was worth popping a potion and a squadron buff before crafting a full set of materials and a full set of tools lol
tacit atlas
Remember to use a spiritbond potion
elder meteor
any idea if hq mats increase spiritbond faster than nq? I don't need the hq for the final crafts so was just going to nq them
twilit arch
nope whehter the craft is HQ or NQ doesn't affect spiritbond
elder meteor
nice. waaaay faster to just nq hitting groundwork 3 times or whatever lol
mossy tartan
Is there an orchestrion for ||holminster switch’s theme||?
fringe whale
So if an item is HQ... it lasts uh... a few more levels like a level 40 HQ item doesn't get replaced by a 45 NQ?
twilit arch
yes, To Fire And Sword . drops from the instance
mossy tartan
ty
twilit arch
i mean technical, yes a HQ item would last longer because NQ is generally not worth using
especially 50+
because main stat isn't capped on NQ gear
even though it may be a ilvl40 item, realistically its much lower ilvl
crafting/gathering can get away with it since its not that big of a deal
but for combat jobs its generally significant enough that you shouldn't do it
outer plank
how do i buy the mnenomics or what ever they called from pyros?
what are they listed under?
proud willow
the Logograms?
they're in the marketboard under "Other"
probably easier to turn on partial matching and just type "logogram"
lost grove
What to do with poetics
fringe whale
When do I unlock desynthesis?
fast hull
Poetics buy you endgame armor
Endgame is per "expansion" ARR -ironworks, HW- SHire, SB- Scaevean
I dont know ShB since I have just started it recently
Like for example Ironworks armor from Mor Dhona can be used up to level 55
open ember
fast hull
among the dragons mounts, is it me or does Midgardsormr looks ugly, like someone beaten him with the ugly stick to death (the minion is cute though)
zinc orbitBOT
gleaming pebble
For any Bards out there, what do your hotbars look like?
twilit arch
i believe you can only redeem up to 3
iirc it caps at 180 days
you can definitely redeem more than one game time card at once
you just won't be able to add more once you've hit the max time limit
lost grove
@fast hull where can i find the Heaven npc for it
outer plank
hey uim trying to use the reflect strat
twilit arch
hw poetic gear vendor is in idyllshire/foundation
outer plank
but they keep killing me
fast hull
Idleushire but need to finish HW
outer plank
in eureka
twilit arch
don't need to finish hw if you buy it in idyllshire
just need to have idyllshire unlocked
sullen lark
So I just completed the quest to learn how to Hali-Ho, I'm trying to unlock the beast tribe but I cannot find the initial starting quest to work towards unlocking it, can someone help?
I cannot find the "It's Dwarfin' Time" quest
the previous quest is "Ronitt to the Rescue" but I also cannot find that
Ronitt just disappeared and I cannot find the quest anywhere
twilit arch
you need to also complete the "Village of Woe" side quest chain
Village of Woe being one of the kholusia aether current quests, second quest for is called "Talos, Interrupted"
sullen lark
Thanks
shell echo
I need to enter Castrum Oriens for a Dark Knight quest. How do I get there? There is a forcefield.
I have been stuck on this for 30 minutes
sullen lark
Yeah I saw that quest but from looking at the wiki, I could not tell they are related
thanks for the help
fast hull
@Samhain wait you dont need to complete HW, I was in there and rowena couldnt sell me Shire gear since I havnet completed HW. Needed to use my 60 job gear did that change (even in SB)
twilit arch
correct, you don't need to complete heavensward to purchase shire gear in idyllshire. You likely weren't talking to the correct npc then
twilit arch
the sundry vendor in foundation, on the other hand, DOES require you to have completed the HW msq to see and purchase from
there's 4
Jihli from the easter event
but aliapoh is a common keeper last name
shell echo
Is Castrum Oriens unlocked from the story quest?
twilit arch
yeah you have to be on stormblood msq to be able to go there
shell echo
Ohh, I just have a Dark Knight quest to go to Castrum Oriens but doesn't explain how. That was dumb 😠
twilit arch
Castrum Oriens is in the fringes
shell echo
That doesn't mean much to me
slate arrow
You go to it in the story
slate arrow
MSQ level 70
shell echo
Thanks guys
slate arrow
It's the first stormblood sanctuary you go to
twilit arch
its the first stormblood zone
fast hull
@twilit arch Ok my friend is at Idllyshire and he cant see the vendors. My FC also said need to complete the HW to complete show vendors (even the sundry ones) 'I'm pretty sure the vendors don't appear until you're far enough in the MSQ' - not post-HW but HW
twilit arch
you do not need to complete the main scenario quest "Heavensward" to interact with the poetics npcs
they are in the big building in the middle
fast hull
Yeah I am with him he cant see the vendors
twilit arch
if you have access to idyllshire, you have access to them
fast hull
I am standing right next to him
twilit arch
send a screenshot
fast hull
how I need his account?
twilit arch
ask him to send you a screenshot?
fast hull
Ok
gleaming pebble
@twilit arch Question about the hotbar, what are your movement keys if you use WASD for actions?
twilit arch
i don't use wasd for actions, i use those for movement
gleaming pebble
Oh shit
hot eagle
idylshire shops open at lvl 58 msq iirc when msq gets u to it, +-1 or 2 quests on it
bronze narwhal
Mostly yes, since its just hunting logs and leves
After 16 its dungeon time, and command mission on 20
gusty pasture
it's been 2 hours of me just doing hunting logs, currently level 13 and I cant beat the logs that are level 15+
lost grove
What about from 53 to 60
bronze narwhal
53 to 60 can be duty roulette, or sohm al command mission
gusty pasture
level 50-60 has been the easiest level grind for me
bronze narwhal
Did you do hunting logs?
gusty pasture
1-15 being the worst
bronze narwhal
ikr
bronze narwhal
Chocobo might help if you didnt summon one
patent citrus
hmm in need of poetics T_T, how many is needed to do bahamut/alexander/omega savage?
gusty pasture
I do have it. it dies quite fast
bronze narwhal
Most annoying phase is through 16 indeed.
gusty pasture
yeah but at least I can do something else while on queue
fast hull
@twilit arch Ok its past 15 minutes and he isnt responding to my chats -_-
lost grove
Well I mostly been doing dungeons
bronze narwhal
If you want to throw away 15 minutes for 1 level, or hopefully 2, try potd
fast hull
@lost grove can you see the vendors in Idleshire
bronze narwhal
Idlyshire poetic fendor only available after finishing Heavensward MSQ iirc, not post HW
bronze narwhal
Hmmm
patent citrus
yeah as long as you have access to iddlyshire
twilit arch
literally on my alt, who as you can see in the upper left hand corner has not finished "heavensward"
may need to do like 1 or 2 of the quests after entering idyllshire
but you do not need to complete HW to see them
fast hull
But you are already in HW in MSQ on the upper right corner?
bronze narwhal
Basically. Just keep doing msq until you see them 
fast hull
I mean if you havent completed the Gubal library can you see it?
twilit arch
yes you can
fast hull
@lost grove well Samhain said you can buy it after you reach Idyllshire
patent citrus
how about ARR and mordhona?
twilit arch
Same with mor dhona
you can buy from the vendors once you can enter mor dhona
which can be done technically at lvl 1 if you really wanted to try your luck
patent citrus
so only SB need MSQ completion? 🤔
twilit arch
and shb
little swift
you won't have access to the poetics you earn though until you finish castrum meridianum though
bronze narwhal
You can reach mor dhona early indeed, i did for glamour quest back when its not available on walking sand
lost grove
@fast hull nah just been lvling up
fast hull
what level are now?
fast hull
Oh then you should be still using Ironworks then
lost grove
Trying to lvl all my sub classes to 59 besides my 4 main ones
tawny pawn
How do people keep track of their thousands of abilities?
patent citrus
practice
tawny pawn
But what if I'm on ps4? 😅
I already find it difficult enough to switch between L2 and R2, let alone swap between loadouts mid-fight.
fast hull
well if you do levelling and have a bunch of classes, you more or less just memorize it
tawny pawn
I'm still pretty new. Played till about level 29 and then took a year break.
warped nest
But what if I'm on ps4? 😅
@tawny pawn a common practice is to use a standard hotbar. And put important cooldown on it, so it works like your car dashboard
tawny pawn
Now I've gotten to level 49.
fast hull
except for SMN which I have difficult time remembering the rotation
bronze narwhal
Its gonna be relying on muscle memory trust me
warped nest
You don't click skill on that (normal) hotbar, the skills are there for you to keep track
tawny pawn
I've gotten to the point of being able to kinda use a full 16-button loadout.
warped nest
You press the same skill on your crosshotbar
tawny pawn
Huh?
warped nest
What job do you play?
warped nest
Which tank?
fast hull
Cross hotbar is the pad thingy you see I think
tawny pawn
Tankadin.
fast hull
Oh pld
fast hull
Isnt the combo is just 1 2 3
tawny pawn
Oh.
warped nest
OK, so, you have your Flight or Fight on your crosshotbar right?
zinc orbitBOT
tawny pawn
I don't use fight or flight.
fast hull
? why
warped nest
Is that a joke?
fast hull
gives you extra damage
tawny pawn
I figured I didn't need it since I'm mostly soaking up damage rather than dishing it out.
And it's hard to keep track of everything.
patent citrus
all classes need to do dps hehe
leaden ginkgo
if an item says market prohibited can it still be traded? 1:1
tawny pawn
I know, but I'm already having a hard time remembering all of my cooldowns.
Adding any more is just blegh.
I mean, I have one toggle-able thing in my bar which I can remove and just swap loadout, toggle on tank stance then swap back to my main setup?
warped nest
You can enable a normal (keyboard) hotbar in your PS4
Then make duplicates of your abilities there
tawny pawn
What?
bronze narwhal
As long as you remember the button
warped nest
This normal hotbar works like a car dashboard
And let you glance at all your important cooldown
warped nest
And free you from cycling your crosshotbar to keep track of what is ready and what isn't
You are using both
warped nest
OK, you have a Fight or Flight, Hallowed Ground, and other abilities with cooldown time for your Paladin
tawny pawn
Don't have hallowed ground yet.
warped nest
But crosshotbar only have 16 spots
fast hull
29 gladiator?
warped nest
So if you have more abilities , you need to park them on crosshotbar 2, 3 or etc
tawny pawn
49 atm.
patent citrus
put soul stone on
tawny pawn
Brb.
warped nest
But this create an issue that unless you can keep track of cooldown in your mind
fast hull
Ah ok cycle your cooldowns (rampart) and (sentinel) = cycling means if off is of try to use the other
warped nest
You would need to manually swap to your crosshotbar 2 to see your cooldown time
fast hull
also try to spam sheltron as much as possible
warped nest
Which is extra button presses you can avoid
What I was proposing is, you make duplicate buttons of your long cooldown skill, and put them all together in a keyboard hotbar for the purpose of tracking them
You still press the skill on the crosshotbar to use it, but you use the normal keyboard hotbar to track their cooldown
tawny pawn
That's a lot of words that I don't understand.
fast hull
@warped nest can you take a screen shot at you pld? for the just the hotbars
or "cross bars"
warped nest
I would if I can
tawny pawn
I'm just a simple player who has a controller, and not much else. I'm just going through the story and what you're trying to explain to me sounds like rocket science. Could be my 'sprout' ness. But I think I'll have to learn things step by step.
fast hull
yeah using KB so I have no input ;-;
warped nest
Lol, OK, fair.
tawny pawn
Before I can expand, I'd have to learn to even use 16 actions in a single encounter.
And that alone is already hard. I've just barely kind of learned how to keep aggro, do aoe 1-2 combos, and on bosses do single target 1-2-3 combos.
warped nest
If it is worth anything, your bread and butter combo should be on your face buttons, and your other stuff shiukd be on dpad
tawny pawn
And occasionally flick on my defensive long cooldowns.
warped nest
You don't want to use your left thumb to move and left finger to press combo
tawny pawn
I generally have R2 for my short cooldowns, and L2 side for my long ones.
Exceptions being my defensive buffs.
warped nest
Other things I have mentioned to ease gameplay and cooldown track, I hope that we can break it down to you in a better fashion on a later date
tawny pawn
Those 2 are next to my AOE combo actions.
We'll see.
I used to play on the keyboard a bit, though I haven't been able to since corona. That stuff seems easier than learning the different button combinations lol.
fast hull
well for the basic of the basics as PLD is do shield lob use a cooldown (Rampart OR Sentinel) then spam your aoe combo (Total Eclipse) you will see Sheltron on when if you have a proc use it to mitigate damage ( I dont 1 2 3 in mobs)
tawny pawn
The thing I'm considering is removing my single target 1-2-3 combo, but I'm scared I might be unable to keep aggro that way.
warped nest
Don't
tawny pawn
Since bosses you kinda need to smack to keep their attention.
warped nest
Never
lost grove
Is gunbreaker a full tank or off tank?
fast hull
? a full tank, off tank means that you have another tank with you but you are like a back up tank if the main tank dies
warped nest
Both
tawny pawn
One thing I HAVE actually learned is to keep a separate bar for dungeons, and for solo content.
lost grove
Cuz it seems fun to play
tawny pawn
Or rather one for just running around (with my home teleport etc buttons too)
little swift
its just a regular tank, there's no subclassing for roles
tawny pawn
And a separate one for combat (no utility besides sprint, and my attack actions)
jade quartz
There is only one tank role
little swift
the idea of main tank off tank isn't much of a thing either
main tank just means that tank pulled the boss
jade quartz
In an eight-man group there are two co-tanks.
little swift
they're technically co-tanks more than anything
fringe whale
If I make an alt, do I keep skills like desynthesis that I unlocked on my main or do they have to do those quests again
jade quartz
Some jobs have a better time pulling than others (just means they can pull without sacrificing a tiny bit of opener dps compared to other tanks)
tawny pawn
I just had my first 8-man encounter.
I was so bad lol.
I just stood there spamming my cute aoe thingies.
I don't think anyone even took any damage.
fast hull
what trial did you do?
jade quartz
But forced tank swap mechanics mean both tanks swap holding the boss and share out the use of their defensive cooldowns.
fast hull
Westwind
little swift
your first 8-man is Cape Westwind
tawny pawn
I think the first encounter of the end of the main questline.
little swift
you shouldn't be using AoE at all in that fight
fast hull
just spam the 1 2 3 combo
tawny pawn
Well, I saw a few other enemies besides the main boss.
little swift
ilvl trivializes it so you can even choose to ignore the adds
jade quartz
Just dps the boss
tawny pawn
Yeah, it lasted like 20 seconds.
fast hull
Ah thanks as healer u have my gratitude
little swift
unfortunately thats just a fact of progression
tawny pawn
10, more likely.
jade quartz
With tank stance on if you pull, or off if you didn’t
jade quartz
No
fast hull
But it gets the mobs from attacking your party
little swift
no tank stance just gives a multiplier on the enmity based on your damage
tawny pawn
Right, but.
jade quartz
Enmity is just based on damage done to the enemy
fast hull
single target to the 123 combo
tawny pawn
Is emnity based on your total damage, (if you hit 3 targets with 100 potency, does it count as 300)?
jade quartz
Each enemy has its own enmity table
little swift
no it counts for 100 per enemy
tawny pawn
Or based on damage dealt to an individual target?
little swift
its based on the individual target
tawny pawn
Right, so it's not a global number that decides who is the most attractive to attack.
jade quartz
It’s not a stat on your character
tawny pawn
But it's per mob.
jade quartz
Yeah
tawny pawn
So the only way AOE makes your emnity higher, is if it out-damages your partners besides your multiplier.
jade quartz
?
little swift
what
little swift
AoE isn't your main enmity generation method in a 2-tank scenario
tawny pawn
But you're tagging multiple mobs, so the potency might be lower than single targets, but you have the option of keeping all of their attention.
jade quartz
Use your single target rotation on single target fights
tawny pawn
I know.
I mean that you use AOE to keep mobs on you, but you'd need to be able to out-damage your partners with the damage for each individual target multiplied by tank stance.
little swift
you don't have to outdamage your party members at all
jade quartz
You will have aggro
fast hull
I am confues with "outdamage"
jade quartz
Tank stance enmity multiplier is huge.
jade quartz
It’s massive.
little swift
the tank stance enmity multiplier is like 10x
tawny pawn
Oh, cool.
fast hull
tank stance multiplies it 10x
little swift
think of it as you did 10x the damage to that mob
tawny pawn
So just tag everything with aoe if there's groups of mobs.
jade quartz
If you have tank stance on and you’re hitting the enemy
tawny pawn
And they stay on you.
jade quartz
You will have aggro
tawny pawn
Good to know.
jade quartz
Aggro is not something you have to think about or try for
tawny pawn
That's why I now have my 1-2 aoe combo.
Well, I thought aggro was more complicated than that.
little swift
it really isn't
jade quartz
You should be thinking about maximising dps
tawny pawn
With all the different handles they give you early on for keeping aggro.
little swift
do more damage> get more aggro
jade quartz
Not for any aggro reason but so that the enemy dies faster
fast hull
well if you stop spamming the 1-2 you will lose aggro
little swift
do less damage > lose aggro
tawny pawn
Right.
jade quartz
After a long time yes
tawny pawn
So as long as my party members aren't out-dpsing me 10 times, I should be fine keeping aggro.
Got it.
fast hull
Anyone of you guys knows controllers, I dont know anything about tanking with controllers
tawny pawn
Just different ways of using hotkeys and all.
little swift
doesn't magically change with a different controller implement
fast hull
I mean switching buttons and stuff
tawny pawn
You switch with R1 + [button]
little swift
l and r keys help swap crossbars
tawny pawn
You can have up to 16 sets?
little swift
you can also double tap them for extend crossbar
leaden ginkgo
where do we get recipe books for crafters?
tawny pawn
But I'm already having trouble with a single set.
tawny pawn
Oh 8 nvm.
jade quartz
Wouldn’t recommend using r1 hotbar switching
tawny pawn
I keep thinking 16 because you have 16 buttons.
jade quartz
Use extended hotbar
tawny pawn
My problem with extended hotbars is that my screen is already kinda small.
jade quartz
L+R and R+L
tawny pawn
So I'd only have more stuff clogging up my screen so I can barely see what I'm doing.
little swift
master recipes 3-8 are gotten through trading yellow crafters scrips in to a scrips vendor @leaden ginkgo books 1,2 and demimateria require special items to be crafted and traded in to talan in mor dhona
fast hull
this is my HUD as PLD. Its messy but works for me I just want my mitigation to be huge so I can take notice
jade quartz
Only the buttons directly above the hp/mp bars are combat hotbars
tawny pawn
But, just take what I say with a grain of salt since I'm just a sprout.
wintry chasm
Wouldn’t recommend using r1 hotbar switching
@jade quartz R1 switching is fine. It's what I use. It's also a lot harder to accidentally fuck up than extended hotbar
jade quartz
Do you click those Barber?
fast hull
yeah XD
warped nest
But I am using the Expanded Hold Control
But, just take what I say with a grain of salt since I'm just a sprout.
@tawny pawn everyone here was new some point in time
As long as you are willing to learn, we are more than happy to explain
tawny pawn
I know, but I just don't understand 99% of the stuff that's said here.
fast hull
I have a weird HUD but in my mind, I tank ok using my own.... tried to do with the videos and I mess up my tanking pretty bad ;-;
tawny pawn
And I feel it's better if I fuck up a dozen times before I start shifting things up dramatically by adding new entire sets, swapping between them and all that stuff.
warped nest
All I can say for now is, don't remove any of your skills to "make it easy"
tawny pawn
I'm just going through the story stuff at the moment.
Yeah, I've started just making new hotbars if I want to try different loadouts.
R1 + O is my main combat bar that I use.
The last change I'll make is removing the toggle-able tank-stance.
So at the start I can go on travel bar, activate tank stance then swap to combat bar.
Removing that toggle action will let me put flight or fight.
And I'll try using it.
gusty pasture
as dps at level 15, is it faster to run sastasha-onwards dungeons than PotD?
wintry chasm
Yeah I do that too. On all my jobs I move skills like that and limit break on my third hotbar far removed from the rest to make more room on the other hoatbars
as dps at level 15, is it faster to run sastasha-onwards dungeons than PotD?
Only if you manage to get quick queue times
proud willow
PotD 51-60 will likely have a shorter queue than Sastasha
fast hull
The caveat in PoTD you must at least reach level 51-60 to get the xp gains you want
wintry chasm
Yeah if you do PotD I wouldn't do ONLY PotD
tawny pawn
So quick question.
fast hull
gettign there on the other hand, is random it took me 2 weeks of pugging to get to level 51
tawny pawn
I get to choose between 3 earrings.
Do I go for determination and tenacity, or just biggest crit stat?
gusty pasture
ohh okay. I've never done potd so Idk how it works
little swift
Tanks take the strength one
fast hull
crit
proud willow
you pick equipment based on your main stat
tawny pawn
They all have strength and vit.
wintry chasm
Not like it'll matter much
proud willow
not substats like Crit
wintry chasm
Low level accessories are pretty shit
tawny pawn
It's det ten or crit / direct hit
little swift
Crit is fine then
wintry chasm
Wait what level are you?
tawny pawn
Level 49.
little swift
He's recently finished cape westwind
tawny pawn
I'm near the end of the base game campaign.
wintry chasm
Oh yeah just pick whatever
fast hull
Ah then the generic armor is ok
tawny pawn
Alright.
wintry chasm
You can get ironworks later
tawny pawn
I was told crit is simple enough, so I see crit, I take crit.
fast hull
its more important for the level if you spam AV you can get decent armor
hazy flint
So I’ve not quite got a full set of augmented crystarium gear but I was wondering with the ring situation is it like only allowing you to have one of them? If so where would I get something of the same ilvl
tawny pawn
I already got my first set of blue equipment from the paladin questls.
fast hull
I mean for accesories
fast hull
to save money I just spam dungeons
wintry chasm
Blue
wintry chasm
You can wear what you got from the job quest
fast hull
well I think if you do your challenge logs you can get huge chunk of XP
tawny pawn
I am wearing it.
fast hull
What challenges did you finish
wintry chasm
Ye
tawny pawn
Oh wait I also got uh...
Cover.
Except I don't think I can use it properly yet.
Targeting is HARD on console.
wintry chasm
You just get used to it
I can appreciate this though
Took me a fair while to get used to party cycling
tawny pawn
Yeah, but me switching between allied and enemy targeting mid-combat?
That's a no-no.
tawny pawn
How do I go into targeting cycling though?
Because all I've done so far is look at it, press cross.
wintry chasm
By...pressing the arrows
thorn mantle
from what ive read, if i want to spiritbond lvl80 gear, do i mine lvl 70 nodes?
wintry chasm
The dpad arrows
tidal yarrow
how's this shirt called?
tawny pawn
Uh.
wintry chasm
So I’ve not quite got a full set of augmented crystarium gear but I was wondering with the ring situation is it like only allowing you to have one of them? If so where would I get something of the same ilvl
@hazy flint savage raid
tawny pawn
I just selected an ally, and it won't let me cycle with up and down, but with left and right.
wintry chasm
A NPC ally?
tawny pawn
I mean NPC yes.
wintry chasm
how's this shirt called?
@tidal yarrow I don't quite remember but It's a mogstation item if it is even a real item. I'd check there
proud willow
other than Squadrons and Trusts, NPC allies don't count as party members so you cannot use Cover on them
tawny pawn
Oh.
wintry chasm
As for cycling NPCs with dpad you could change it in the settings IIRC but yeah you win there
tawny pawn
Okay, so for me to actually be able to practice, once I hit 50 I'm swapping out my tank stance to another hotbar, and then I'll uh...ignore flight or fight and add uh... cover instead.
tidal yarrow
oki thx
fast hull
I almost never use cover
tawny pawn
Well it's either flight or fight or cover.
wintry chasm
Um
fast hull
but I use flight or fight
wintry chasm
Keep both
proud willow
Fight or Flight is a billion times more useful than Cover
tawny pawn
Wait does cover use up that bar?
Or is that only megatron
Megaton.
Whatever that level 35 action is.
Sheltron.
That thing, I knew it was some transformers-like name.
fast hull
I use cover for DPS for some reason really love to stand in AOEs
or being targeted by boss
but in plain dungeons, I dont use it often
tawny pawn
Right, so...Cover shares the oath gauge.
fast hull
I need my sheltron more
tawny pawn
Which means I'll ignore cover and get flight or fight in my toggle action slot.
jade quartz
Don’t take anything off your bar except maybe shield bash
wintry chasm
^
jade quartz
Don’t ignore anything
tawny pawn
I'll just have to get yelled at 20 times before I stop forgetting to turn on tank stance at the start of a dungeon.
wintry chasm
Don't even get rid of shield bash
jade quartz
It’s niche useful yeah
wintry chasm
If you really don't like cover or something, put it on the second hotbar or something
jade quartz
Particularly in solo
tawny pawn
The issue is cover shares the oath gauge with Sheltron.
I'd rather use sheltron than cover.
wintry chasm
And?
wintry chasm
^
proud willow
You will never need Cover
wintry chasm
You won't use cover in solo play but party content...maybe
jade quartz
Nothing gets ignored
fast hull
I think he is just going to hide cover in his 2ndary crossbar thingy majig
wintry chasm
Nothing gets ignored
Except actual physick past level 15
fast hull
while the usable ones in the front
jade quartz
And some skills on BLM
fast hull
U guys use R1 and L1 to swich hotbars right?
wintry chasm
L1 doesn't swap hotbars but I use R1 personally yes
I don't like extended hotbars outside of easy access mount buttons and stuff
tawny pawn
Okay, I put both shirk and cover on that stinky third hotbar that I never use.
And I swapped flight or fight on for my toggleable on my active toolbar.
fast hull
umm need shirk if you are off tank
wintry chasm
Shirk is absolutely going on that second hotbar when you get to hard 8-man content lol
fast hull
shirk gives aggro to MT
jade quartz
Shirk is important
tawny pawn
Ugh...
wintry chasm
Shirk is important....only for endgame
proud willow
Yeah exactly, you don't need Shirk until you hit 80
wintry chasm
Well no
tawny pawn
I'm a level 49 sprout, can I get advice that is relevant for me right now? Like basics?
Or basic basics.
Instead of getting mixed messages from 3 different people?
wintry chasm
Until you do EX or Savage fights. Doesn't strictly need to be 80
fast hull
for example I accidentaly pull since I didnt have my tank stance off and I press provoke, shirk can correcthat
jade quartz
Advice for you right now is to arrange your hotbars in such a way that you won’t need to change them hugely at endgame.
wintry chasm
Tbh I agree with Lyon
jade quartz
And i haven’t really seen any mixed messages
tawny pawn
Well, I wish I could show you what my bar looks like right now.
wintry chasm
It helps muscle memory
Well, I wish I could show you what my bar looks like right now.
Take picture of screen
wintry chasm
Taking a picture of the screen is by far the easiest way
wintry chasm
Yes
fast hull
just remember before even going through on your 123 combo always turn on fight or flight
wintry chasm
Personally I like putting aoe on hotbar 2 and single target on hotbar 1 simply because it saves space for each and you will often just be using one or the other
tawny pawn
Okay, this is why this place is so confusing.
fast hull
I use it on riot blade?
jade quartz
Nope
Fight or Flight should be used immediately before Goring Blade once you unlock that
jade quartz
Before then it should be used right before Rage of Halone.
tawny pawn
No wait 25 seconds.
fast hull
he has goring blade?
tawny pawn
And I want to hit uh...
gleaming pebble
So I ran into a little problem, when changing classes, some abilities from other classes stay behind instead of getting replaces, and removing them alsoi removes them for their intended class. Any idea what's happening?
tawny pawn
the third one as many times as possible.
jade quartz
Yep
jade quartz
You want to get as many combo enders inside Fight or Flight as possible
Therefore you should use it between 2 and 3
To maximise damage dealt during its duration.
Specifically you should use it before Goring Blade once you get that
fast hull
@gleaming pebble in your character configuration there is something called share hotbars (click yes if you want to change them when you switch classes) by default only 1 and 2 are clicked yes
proud willow
@gleaming pebble is it just the ones on certain hotbars? You can go into Character Configuration and check off which hotbars you want to be shared
gleaming pebble
Ah ok cheers :)
jade quartz
Because you wanna open a fight with applying Goring Blade DoT
And you want it buffed because it’s your highest-potency gcd
tawny pawn
So that replaces rage of halone after level 54?
jade quartz
And the timers afterwards will always line up so that FoF comes off cooldown when Goring needs to be reapplies
No
fast hull
so pld combo would be a 2 combo 1,2, GoringBlade, then 1,2,Rage of Halone
jade quartz
You go
tawny pawn
Why not?
jade quartz
Goring, Halone, Halone, repeat
Because Goring Blade is a DoT
You want it to run its full duration on the enemy
fast hull
also the further you level you will have the "magic phase" dps and "melee phase" dps
jade quartz
If you reapply it before it runs out, you’re losing some of the DoT damage because it gets overwritten by the new one
fast hull
but right now you dont have to worry about that
just get the basic since it will overload you
little swift
Its actually a dps gain technically to goring only until Royal authority because goring has more pot than halone but the other way gets you into the habit of pld phys rotatiob
fast hull
but for now just master the below 50 skills, getting the fundementals of the combo is important later on (original point dont throw fight or flight use it often)
fast hull
yeah your DPS takes a hit
jade quartz
That’s very concerning
fast hull
without that
jade quartz
A massive hit
jade quartz
You can play very poorly and still manage to get through content
tawny pawn
Yeah, but just thought that as tank, I shouldn't worry about my own damage, but focus on keeping attention on me.
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jade quartz
Just because you think you’re “doing fine” doesn’t mean you shouldn’t continue
You thought wrong
little swift
you keep the attention on you by doing damage
there's literally no other way to do it
fast hull
@Blue most tanks usually land the killing blow XD
jade quartz
The ultimate goal of every job in this game, even healers, is to maximise damage
proud willow
The game will not stop you from playing it wrong, it's up to you how much effort you want to put into improving. hitting Fight or Flight often—even if it's at the wrong time—is a large improvement over not hitting it
tawny pawn
And I was told that my emnity is multiplied by 10 so damage to keep attention becomes trivial.
jade quartz
You got the wrong message from that
Aggro isn’t something you should worry about
Damage is
fast hull
yeah but it goes with the same as healers, even though they heal they need DPS.
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fast hull
But I dont want to pressure healers to DPS if they are not yet comfortable yet with healing.
jade quartz
It’s up almost half the time
mossy tartan
Is it bad if I clip a glare using divine benison on a tank while a buster is on the way?
fast hull
So try to practice the combos even you mess up at least you tries
jade quartz
That means it’s almost a 12.5% dps increase overall
tawny pawn
Yeah, okay.
jade quartz
I would consider not using fight or flight to be not meeting the basic level of competency for a tank
tawny pawn
Okay, but I'm not even at the endgame of the basegame.
jade quartz
Doesn’t matter
tawny pawn
Kinda does.
jade quartz
At any level
tawny pawn
That's like expecting a new player to know every single action.
jade quartz
Not using fight or flight is not doing bare minimum competency
jade quartz
And now you’ve learned.
little swift
reading your tooltips will help you a long way
jade quartz
^
tawny pawn
And it's going to take time to even apply it.
little swift
and asking questions like you're doing will also help
jade quartz
No it’s not
tawny pawn
Because there's 20 million things I apparently need to learn at the same time.
jade quartz
Hit the button
fast hull
Yeah usually I practice at dungeons
jade quartz
Just hit the button
fast hull
also with friends if I mess up I dont need the pressute
jade quartz
Even if you don’t use it at the optimal time
tawny pawn
How am I supposed to learn how to instantly swap to a different bar every single time just to apply one thing, then go back without missing a rotation of abilities?
jade quartz
Please make sure you at least use it.
tawny pawn
Before having never done it?
jade quartz
That’s the basic gameplay of this game, Blue
If switching hotbar for it is hard, then put it on the same hotbar
fast hull
the ideal is on your cross bar the lower level buttons should be in front
tawny pawn
If I had space for it, I would put everything in the same hotbar.
fast hull
it will build up the memory muscle
higher skills such as for example holy spirit should be added to non important hot bars
tawny pawn
My issue is that it's not easy to learn more than 16 buttons at the same time, and any time you move one it becomes harder because it's new.
fast hull
practice the basics on lower content before moving on
jade quartz
You don’t learn them at the same time, because you unlock them gradually.
little swift
good thing the game doesn't hand you 36 buttons at once
ashen oracle
Hi, is it normal not being able to log into ff14 in the morning? Is there like server maintainance every day?
jade quartz
No
fast hull
Like I spent 2 weeks in level 40 dungeons even though myu tank is level 70
tawny pawn
Oh for fuck sake I'm getting two more buttons at level 50.
ashen oracle
I reported to support and they just closed my ticket..
jade quartz
Two is not many
jade quartz
Then take some slow time to learn.
little swift
have you tried doing a tracert or ping check?
proud willow
So here's the thing. To a fairly large minority of players, many of whom are on reddit, failing to put as much effort as possible into playing optimally is something you should literally be banned from the game for. Most of us do not share this attitude. In reality, every bit of extra effort for optimization's sake comes with diminishing returns. At some point (which is different from person to person) you say "I'm not going to put forth more effort than this because the gain is not worth it." There are people who take unreasonable offense to where other people choose to draw that effort line.
little swift
it could be something on your isps end
tawny pawn
Why are you talking to me like I'm in endgame content when you just said I don't even handle the basics well?
jade quartz
We’re not talking to you like you’re in endgame content Blue
ashen oracle
I'm not 100% sure how to do that sadly yuu
jade quartz
We’re talking to you at the level that you are at
little swift
!faq datacenterip
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tawny pawn
Then why are you constantly saying things are easy when in my experience it's been a lot harder than you make it out to be?
agile laurel
morning #questions-and-help how are we to- oh
jade quartz
Using fight or flight is expected at your level.
tawny pawn
I don't care at this point, I won't learn by getting told things are easy when that isnt' the same I'm experiencing with the amount of buttons I have to use.
That's just rude.
fresh lodge
Learn by doing
jade quartz
Then go practice low level dungeons again.
fresh lodge
Practice
ashen oracle
Thanks yuu, pings were successful, weird
fresh lodge
Stop bitching
proud willow
Given what I said above, if you want to DM me for help instead of asking here, that is cool. I'll do my best to help
jade quartz
You have fewer buttons there
tawny pawn
Wow, okay.
agile laurel
you're kinda expected to be using your button at the level you get it
which is, uhm
2?
fast hull
its more of the controller thing
tawny pawn
And I have more than 16 buttons to remember just for combat alone.
agile laurel
a h
tawny pawn
And 'm on controller, not keyboard.
agile laurel
well i doubt playing pld on a controller is anywhere near impossible but yeah good luck chief
fresh lodge
The controller can easily fit 16 buttons
fast hull
The advantage for me personally having a weak memory I can add hotbars and just click
jade quartz
You can work up slowly
jade quartz
That’s the learning process
fresh lodge
The only answer is practice
fast hull
you saw my HUD right XD
tawny pawn
I know I can fit 16 buttons on my controller.
fast hull
I make it big so I can remember Use my godamn cooldowns
tawny pawn
The problem is the amount of actions I have right now is well over 16.
And I have no way I can reliably learn all of them and memorize all of the combinations.
jade quartz
I’ve offered you a solution to that twice Blue...
tawny pawn
Well, your solution is just telling me it's easy and all.
jade quartz
Go to lower level dungeons again, hammer in the use of those skills
fast hull
I wish I can offer some tips but I dont use a controller on how to memorize ;-;
jade quartz
No it’s not
If you aren’t going to be responsive to feedback then no one’s going to be able to help you
fresh lodge
A controller can fit 32 buttons that are easily accessible
fast hull
but the one you showed me is good enough
I just want you to use fight or flight lets say for example in satasha
jade quartz
I told you to go to lower level content where you have fewer buttons and work your way up
fast hull
so it will help you remember and strengten memory muscle
tawny pawn
The problem is the difference between 16 buttons and 17 buttons is huge, because you'd have to learn swapping mid-turn.
What is satasha?
tawny pawn
Right, but what do I practice in a level 15 dungeon?
I barely have any actions there, versus the dungeons i have now.
jade quartz
Your buttons
fast hull
combos and rampartt
worthy heron
It may be hard now but it becomes second nature
fast hull
how many mobs you pull in satasha
fresh lodge
You build up muscle memory
fast hull
for example at the beginning I can only do 1
tawny pawn
What mobs are there even there?
fast hull
those bat thingies I thinkg
worthy heron
pardon
fresh lodge
Do you want some real quality advice on how to improve?
Stop constantly throwing every bit of advice we give you back in our faces
tawny pawn
If it doesn't involve someone telling me something I find difficult to be easy, and I don't know the basics at all and all that.
jade quartz
Then aim slightly higher than 15.
fresh lodge
Just get out there and practice
Rework your hotbars to be more comfortable
Take advantage of the expanded crossbar options
jade quartz
Stop telling yourself how hard it is and make it easier for yourself by practicing and adjusting.
fast hull
well at satasha I tried to get the timing of rampart like how long will it take to survive before running like a chiken
little swift
you're your own limiter here atm
jade quartz
I don’t think there were many instances of people telling you it was easy
agile laurel
Thankfully unrelated. Surely in concept me having a glamour plate for nin and drg is a bit pointless?
what with the single gear type
ashen oracle
I figured out my issue btw spoody channy, running steam as admin fixed the login issue. weird stuff
jade quartz
They do not share gear past level 50
little swift
only if you don't plan on using them
jade quartz
Oh right
agile laurel
no but
jade quartz
Yeah see what you mean
agile laurel
surely HAVING a glamour plate, the thing that lets you change glamours on sets easily
would be pointless for jobs that only use a single unique set
jade quartz
I mean there’s still the benefit of having your glamour stay the same when you update gear
left moth
mostly personal preference if want to mix drg/nin only left side stuff with all jobs equipment (and shove it in a preset)
tawny pawn
Anyway, class is beginning. I'll probably play some more in the evening, and try to make another hotbar or two.
jade quartz
Which is what many people use plates for even when they have one glam for a whole role
obsidian patio
@tawny pawn if i remember to, I’ll share my Paladin controller set-up tomorrow in like 10-12 hours. I don’t play Paladin too much but I find my current set-up pretty comfortable.
sage sapphire
hello, am new to this game and have seen many classes and choose scholar, any tips am almost level 60
and i think am bad at dungeons
jade quartz
Bad how?
fast hull
...I hate sch but try to gauge your tank. Dont waste adlo and just spam physic if he isnt using cooldowns
...I have poor MP management as SCH -_-
obsidian patio
Spamming Physick should be your absolute last resort as a scholar.
It’s your worst healing spell
sage sapphire
i always run out of mp
analog gate
use aetherflow on cooldown, lustrate whenever your tank needs healing
jade quartz
Do you use lucid dreaming often?
tawny pawn
@obsidian patio Ps4 or PC?
fast hull
yeah same problem, see if your tank has even leveled gear
analog gate
when you run out of aetherflow, that's when you adlo
obsidian patio
PS4
sage sapphire
yes i do use it
tawny pawn
Okay, that would help.
jade quartz
Aetherflow on cooldown?
fast hull
went in at bardams mettle with ironworks gear a level 65 dungeon only at the minimum
sage sapphire
Aetherflow on cooldown?
@jade quartz what is that
fast hull
the 3 green diamons
jade quartz
Use your oGCD heals and fairy abilities as your first resort for healing. Lustrate, Sacred Soil
sage sapphire
i dont remember all my skills name
jade quartz
Aetherflow is your key skill
fast hull
guy in purple icon with the hat
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sage sapphire
the problem is some times my team get so much damage at once and i try to use skills that take so much mp
jade quartz
You should always make sure to spend all the pips before the 60 second cooldown is up
sage sapphire
and then run out of it and the tank die
jade quartz
And then hit aetherflow again ASAP
Healing abilities from aetherflow, such as Lustrate, should be your first go-to
And fairy skills
fast hull
do you use your Indom skill?
jade quartz
GCD spells with cast time and mp cost should be lesser priority
fast hull
Indom is for AoE, Lustrate is you single
jade quartz
They’re last resort when you run out of free skills
fast hull
also if you dont need shiels combo your emergency tactics with Succor
jade quartz
You don’t want to be spamming them unless it’s your only option
Remember that you don’t have to keep your party’s HP topped off all the time
They don’t need to be full
Just not dead
sage sapphire
hmmm
obsidian patio
Very few things in casual content will kill people at like 80-90% HP
jade quartz
If the party’s at like 70% hp and there’s not more AOE damage coming out on them
Then just leave ‘em
obsidian patio
It generally only happens when people have very weak gear or when they have damage vulnerability stacks
jade quartz
Just keep focusing on the tank and casting your damage abilities
The party will be fine
fast hull
my strategy wait for tank to pull (usually 2-3 mobs) when stops use whispering dawn and I maximize dps.
then if I see his cooldown goes out I use sacred soil
sage sapphire
i read somewhere that i can get agro as a healer
jade quartz
Not any more
fast hull
only if 1) tank dies 2) tank does not turn on his stance
jade quartz
Since Shadowbringers
It’s not something you need to be concerned about
Oh hang on
Possibly discussing prepull regens and stuff
Yeah don’t cast heals on the tank as they’re doing the initial gathering together of dungeon enemies
glossy flare
Yeah I just wanted to mention that. If you have a regen up on the tank you might get aggro from that before the tank gets the first hit in
jade quartz
But it’s not a big deal, as a scholar
agile laurel
prepull regen is fine if healer isn't objecting to taking an auto or 3
and/or standing in narnia
jade quartz
And it’s not really a huge deal generally, just mild annoyance
fast hull
? sch has regen
analog gate
whispering dawn is regen
agile laurel
aow spam so sch will be in melee anyway also
fast hull
ah I thought regen WHM
glossy flare
It's more of a problem with newer tanks who just do face pulls
jade quartz
The skill “Regen” is WHM yes
glossy flare
But then just tell them to... not do that
analog gate
and fairy heals sometimes net you some aggro too
sage sapphire
thanks for the tips i have one more question
fast hull
also for super duper emergency healing like tank is DRK and gonna die since he popped living dead, eat your fairy
spam lustrate
agile laurel
dissipation
sage sapphire
i don't know any thing about expansions can someone explain or send me a video about it
agile laurel
plus also dissipate for unga bunga energy drain spam
jade quartz
Sheroy are you on the free trial?
jade quartz
Ok
sage sapphire
i didnt see complete at first
jade quartz
Then the only thing you need to buy is “Shadowbringers”
Then you’ll have the complete game with all expansions
sage sapphire
really
jade quartz
What you currently have is level 1–60 content
Shadowbringers unlocks 61–80 content
To be more precise
sage sapphire
that makes it so much easier thank you so much
fast hull
Any tips here for SCH that are paired with tanks that dont use cooldowns I my aetherflow is also on cooldown any advice is appreciated -_-
sage sapphire
i thought i had to buy every expansion
jade quartz
Starter edition contains the original base game “A Realm Reborn” (1–50) and the first expansion that was released, Heavensward (51–60).
The “Shadowbringers” that you buy off Steam contains the second expansion “Stormblood” (61–70) and the most recently released expansion, called... well... “Shadowbringers”. (71–80)
glossy flare
Not joking, but... give the tank some friendly advice about cooldowns
fast hull
the retort is to be a "healbot" so I can get this dungeon over with
jade quartz
Um do your best
But it’s no fault of yours if things go sour because the tank doesn’t use cds
glossy flare
^
jade quartz
Just manage as best you can