Probably only for players who haven't logged in/subbed for 90+ days @lone hawk
#questions-and-help
open coral
dim smelt
MNK is just super annoying to play, particularly at lower levels, because of positional requirements.
@open coral this is very true . Without a good tank monk is such a troll to play
lone hawk
so for me 😄
leaden ginkgo
What world should I play in? (Aether)
lone hawk
when can we expect it?
dim smelt
@lone hawk I got cloud costume and few more from veteran rewards
stiff osprey
ah, so it's because you're reliant on your tank?
open coral
Doesn't really matter within your datacenter
stiff osprey
makes sense
leaden ginkgo
Oh ok so just I guess do the one with exp bonuses?
open coral
@lone hawk We don't know if they'll do a free login campaign any time soon.
wispy parcel
Free Login events are usually every few months
lone hawk
I noticed they usually do
dim smelt
@leaden ginkgo all servers are typically very busy special' close and past patch days . So choose what you want cross world play exists
open coral
Yeah @leaden ginkgo , just pick a preferred server and roll with it.
wispy parcel
And they only last like 4 days
wispy parcel
Is it?
open coral
Yes
wispy parcel
God it has been a while since we had one
dim smelt
Servers that have exp buffs are actually written has exp buff but I don't think any buffs are going on right now
On 5.3 we will probably get buff
wispy parcel
They are usually marked as Prefered Servers
dim smelt
Yeah
Preferred for new players . Though I will be honest with you follow your friends it's really not hard to farm exp
You can max out a class in a few days
rocky forge
Does anyone know roughly when the servers will be up again, or are they actually down till 12 tomorrow?
leaden bear
I literally cannot find this fucking issue anywhere else, and I can't log into the forums, think maintenance is to blame for that one. This is beyond frustrating
low sun
i started on preferred last week, just be aware that you will entirely outlevel your MSQ after a few hours 😄
dim smelt
@rocky forge 18 hours
open coral
Nominally they'll go live at 3am PDT tomorrow morning
dim smelt
@leaden bear what's the issue ?
open coral
But practically speaking we don't know.
wispy parcel
Usually noon JP time
open coral
Maintenance could end early
rocky forge
Man I just wanted to play...
open coral
Possibly
sly willow
Any german dude here who can quickly tell me if the translation of the warrior skill storm's eye are wrong? The english description in the patch note's look completly different
peak hearth
@lone hawk if you scroll up the convo and read my message just before you started speaking here you will see that I agree 100% with what you said right now.. But I will make a new account... dunno for you.
dim smelt
Probably
leaden ginkgo
oh wait ffxiv is down?
dim smelt
Yeah maintenance
open coral
Yeah, 24 hour maintenance for the 5.3 patch
leaden ginkgo
damn lol
dim smelt
18-19 hours left
open coral
!maintenance
wispy parcel
They always do this the day before a major patch
dim smelt
Command isn't working
open coral
19 hours 46 minutes remaining
rocky forge
From now or the beginning of downtime?
open coral
From now
dim smelt
Can be months
rocky forge
I'm a sad boi now
open coral
And maintenance won't take more than 24 hours
dim smelt
I'm kidding lol
open coral
Please don't troll
left moth
Can check until end of maint in #kupo-bot-spam
leaden bear
@dim smelt
I lost my secret Q&A password thing, and can't can't change my password because of it. When I go to the square enix support center account/ billing - secret Q&A lost, I can't procede to get help, because no matter what I type into the inquiry summary, it says it cannot find my issue
dim smelt
@leaden bear have your tried getting a ticket ?
dapper oyster
so we are going to have the patch tomorrow or they will release the patch soon so we can download it?
dim smelt
Na or eu?
leaden bear
I'm pretty sure this is how I'm supposed to in the first place. I need to do this so I can reach out via chat or email support. I just can't get past the inquiry thing We were not able to locate the support information related to your issue. Please select "Next" to proceed.
NA btw
open coral
@dapper oyster The patch will be available for download once maintenance ends.
Or close to it
toxic glacier
I'm going to create a new character for 5.3. Am I insane?
zinc orbitBOT
left moth
Kyn:patch is likely later today 6 to 8hours before server is live to reduce the load once everything ia prepped server wise
open coral
If you're insane, then I'm insane because I 100% created a new character just to see the ARR MSQ adjustments firsthand.
toxic glacier
I always wanted an alt but the MSQ seemed daunting
wintry chasm
It's fine Vaath
open coral
@toxic glacier If you're skipping most of the cutscenes, then the MSQ isn't really that bad.
dim smelt
@leaden bear press on next
wintry chasm
I made 6 alts before and did ARR with them all
dim smelt
I was able to get it in 1 try
wintry chasm
skipping the cutscenes on later playthroughs really cuts down on it's time
open coral
I've leveled a bunch of alts through ARR and HW long-hand.
toxic glacier
I made 6 alts before and did ARR with them all
@wintry chasm what on earth made you do that? Do you even use the 6 alts?
wintry chasm
yes and no Vaath but that's another story
leaden bear
what the fuck I've done that
and it still says We were not able to locate the support information related to your issue. Please select "Next" to proceed.
wintry chasm
did you press next?
dim smelt
Then press next
leaden bear
Or if I just don't put anything in, it asks me to
I did
wintry chasm
and?
open coral
@toxic glacier I've done the same, tbh. I do it whenever I want to be on a different datacenter or play a different race but don't want to use a Fantasia.
toxic glacier
Yeah I can't bear to use a Fantasia. I've been with my main from the beginning
lone hawk
@peak hearth I won't because I already have too much time invested in my current acc, still I'm quite annoyed
peak hearth
@lone hawk Welcome aboard
leaden bear
Okay I'm more confused now than anything
I just tried using firefox, went there, pressed next, next again, and now it brings me to that information email thing
I was using google, and it was literally saing We were not able to locate the support information related to your issue.
open coral
Sometimes certain browsers glitch out some website submission forms.
dim smelt
Yeah then send the email
leaden bear
Like the page was going backwards
wispy parcel
I remember when I lost my password amd I called them to get it back
open coral
Always have at least two browsers on your computer so you can try a different one if you encounter an issue.
I have four on mine
wispy parcel
I forgot that I lied about my age when I made the account
leaden bear
So that's a totally different issue then. Oh well, firefox it is. Jeez that's weird but hey it works now woo
sorry for getting uspet. My password is possibly compromised so, kinda, stressed, haha
dim smelt
@leaden bear it's fine mate . If I loose my password if be scared as well
Cheers hopefully you get it
leaden bear
thank you so much!
dim smelt
Firefox has the issue of being overly safe . So it blocks a lot of stuff I think .
nova umbra
do beast tribes reset the same time as roulettes and mini-cactpot?
simple shore
Yes
median locust
yes
simple shore
im confused why didnt kupo bot award me a point
dense turtle
I’ve a question if anyone can help out, Since ARR and heavensward are part of the trail can I just buy shadowbringers or do I buy the complete edition? Will I own ARR and heavensward and just need the last few expansions ? Also had the game on PS4 but making the switch to pc.
dense turtle
So just but the complete edition?
dense turtle
Thank you
median locust
Complete Edition has everything
median locust
yeah it basically just removes social restrictions
dim smelt
@dense turtle hey just shadowbringers includes stormblodd as well
Yeah starter is downright silly lol
dense turtle
lol ok I wasn’t sure because I read about the restrictions. Had to ask.
median locust
Still need starter edition to use ShB/SB
clever cave
Hello, are “gathering points” nodes?
simple shore
Yes
clever cave
Ok
weak lance
Is the preferred world going to change with the patch?
wintry chasm
probably
wispy parcel
Preferred Worlds are always the ones with the lowest population
simple shore
close down famfrit preferred please we're overrun
simple pine
is Ishgardian Restoration limited time content?
wintry chasm
yes and no
the whole turning stuff in and leveling is permanent
but the whole "watching that section be rebuilt" is one time limited
simple pine
and the scrips and rewards are also permanent?
wintry chasm
Yes
lone hawk
anyone else new to the game anyway, I mean fairly new, like around 2.3? If so what do you think about the game so far? I would like to compare my experiences 😄
wintry chasm
That's more of a #general-discussion thing
lone hawk
ain't it question :O?
wintry chasm
or just DMs even
well leave the question here but just don't have the conversation here, it's not really an in-game or account question or, whatever, it's just...talking
lone hawk
also ffxiv is spammed too much, can't really have discussion there I think, since there are too many messages at once
wintry chasm
then DMs
lone hawk
first I would need to find new players 😄
wintry chasm
yes so leave the question here
tardy creek
Hi there, I have a question about returning to the game on the free trial thing that's getting upgraded (tomorrow I believe) I bought starter edition version of the game but stopped fairly quickly because of performance issues would I be able to play for free up until level 60 as well like the trial accounts can or will I have to resub straight away? (I tried to install the game again since getting a new setup but it asked me to get sub before I could do that or something of the sort and I don't really want to pay if I'm going to encounter the same performance problems)
wintry chasm
since you bought the starter edition you won't have the ability to use the free trial so you'd need to resub
median locust
If you bought the game, you can't play for free, you'd need to resub
amber ingot
do we know how much longer for the maintenance to end?
wintry chasm
If you wanted to use the new free trial you'd need to just make a new account @tardy creek
median locust
!maint
wintry chasm
use !maint in #kupo-bot-spam
amber ingot
oh ty
wintry chasm
I think they banned that command from pretty much everywhere because it's annoying
median locust
that makes sense
median locust
yes
faint flare
Yes
amber ingot
Wow
faint flare
Its a 24hour maintenance
tardy creek
Ah okay thanks :)
wintry chasm
24-hour maintenance is normal for the big patches
amber ingot
didn't knew it
median locust
They haven't done a lot of maintenance in the past 5 months, so they need it
faint flare
Its all detailed on the Lodestone
They put this out in advance
It will come up exactly at the end time detailed
tropic summit
I bought the lv70 yellow scrip crafting gear recently and patch notes seem to say they've been replaced with augmented versions in shops
Is there a precedent for existing unupgraded gear like that to be upgraded?
faint flare
I believe the notes said something about that
tropic summit
It says that about Shire and Scaevan
but it doesn't seem to say it for the scrip gear
tidal yarrow
does e5s have any dps check mechanic when low hp?
faint flare
Probably just buy the new gear. Yellow scrips aren't that hard to get
tropic summit
For comparison, Shire/Scaevan:
oblique forum
wait a minute
tropic summit
Scrip gear:
oblique forum
maintinance lasts for 24 hours?
tidal yarrow
yes
oblique forum
holy smokes
tidal yarrow
what's enrage? everyone talking about it but.. i dont know what it is
faint flare
Enrage is the hard time where you'll die
If you dont kill the boss by X time
You die
Its called Enrage
oblique forum
what timezone do the servers maintinance schedules run off?
tidal yarrow
mm.. i never see it happening
open coral
Enrage means that boss does a 99999999 power attack
tidal yarrow
thanks tho!
open coral
It rarely happens
faint flare
Because you rarely see it happen unless you're progressing
tidal yarrow
wow that must be so cool looking
faint flare
Its not
wintry chasm
what timezone do the servers maintinance schedules run off?
don't remember but !maint in #kupo-bot-spam will tell you how long left
oblique forum
thanks!
open coral
If you want to see it, take a group into A12S
foggy minnow
Pst
open coral
That's the easiest enrage to see.
faint flare
Ramuh just casts Fury 14, drops the line of spears then immediately long casts Judgment volts
Its nothing interesting
Enrages are usually just Long casts of an aoe
oblique forum
looks like GMT-7
tropic summit
Does it always run the full 24 hours or is that a kind of placeholder time?
green grail
for a patch this big it's always 24h and it won't end early
faint flare
It will be to the point
open coral
The allot 24 hours for big maintenance, but whether it actually takes that long or not depends on how quickly they can do what they're doing
oblique forum
efficiency is a factor also i imagine.
wintry chasm
(I thought it's only exactly to the dot when stuff like housing comes out)
tropic summit
wtf am I supposed to do until then? NOT play FFXIV? This doesn't even make sense, does it?
faint flare
Yes
open coral
With all of the teams working from home right now, I expect they'll use the entire 24 hours, or very close to it
tidal yarrow
A12s? never heard of it
wintry chasm
go play a better game Noodle
wispy parcel
They said that this is gonna be the biggest patch since 3.3 so its a hell of a lot
oblique forum
so does square enix actually work on ffxiv? or is that just the publisher? how does that work? (i know, loaded questions)
idle summit
what do you guys think about ''Tales of Adventure: One Hero's Journey''? I was thinking of maybe getting one after getting scholar to max level and playing all the dungeons. Is it a bad idea?
leaden ginkgo
For when anyone has time to answer
I’m a brand new player ffxiv on the PlayStation and I’m presently looking to choose a main to focus on. Decided to be a tank and was wondering between the two starters which is the better pick? I’m not new to mmos, and I understand MRD is an off tank in later content. does it do well as a main tank for basic dungeons? (content outside of the 24 man raids) and lastly is it an extremely unforgiving class or easy to pick up?
faint flare
They have a development team who works on it
wispy parcel
XIV's dev team works on XIV
open coral
FFXIV is run by Square Enix's Business Division 5 under Yoshida
faint flare
@leaden ginkgo all tanks are main tanks
There's no Off tank main anymore
Just "who's not tanking the boss"
oblique forum
interesting
faint flare
Warrior prefers MT anyway
oblique forum
rare to find a company that actually does inhouse game dev anymore
wispy parcel
All the tanks are pretty much the same now except for GNB
wintry chasm
@oblique forum TL:DR on these other answers yes they do work on this game. Final Fantasy is Square Enix's most well known series along with Dragon Quest
wispy parcel
GNB has more of a DPS style rotation
tidal yarrow
i heard warrior can be the easier to pick up, it's also the worse tho but i heard it got some changes?
leaden ginkgo
Ohhh. I must’ve been reading outdated forums. Does MRD still hold higher damage? That’s always my problem with some MMos,!8 never look to do dps level damage on a tank but something other than just one or two wet noodle attacks are nice
tropic summit
Both WAR and PLD are good beginner tanks to me
open coral
Square Enix does a lot of in-house stuff. They'll contract out with other developers too, but it's not as uncommon as you'd expect.
wintry chasm
Tanks do the same damage
dim smelt
Warrior and paladin are both very good tanks
oblique forum
i see
wispy parcel
They are also the only tanks you can pick at the beginning
wintry chasm
i heard warrior can be the easier to pick up, it's also the worse tho but i heard it got some changes?
@tidal yarrow eh any are fine just don't pick something like Gunbreaker and go straight into a very high level dungeon
dim smelt
All tanks have almost same damage only mitigations differ ( tank main since 2 years)
open coral
We have a meme
faint flare
Tank damage is within a few percent of each other
tropic summit
WAR is arguably the worst but have you ever considered how much worse? What if it was the worst by a margin of 0.1%? Would you place a lot of importance to it?
open coral
!faq metameme
zinc orbitBOT
dim smelt
Yeah
wispy parcel
WAR has Holmgang which just makes them not die for 10 seconds
faint flare
8s
tidal yarrow
they're, indeed very similar, he's the worse but not a bad job
faint flare
Technically dps wise
dim smelt
No they all are good for certain dungeons and no as good for certian others
faint flare
Gnb > pld > war >= Drk
dim smelt
For example magic bosses nothing comes close to dark knight and so on
faint flare
But thats at the highest skill level
leaden ginkgo
Ohhh ok, well thank you for the info! I’ll have to just consider what I like appearance wise if it’s that close
dim smelt
@faint flare this is absolutely wrong
wintry chasm
Technically that all depends on criting @faint flare
faint flare
And crit rng
dim smelt
In some content dark knight outdamages paladin as well
wispy parcel
GNB requires a little more effort but its still very much the same
dim smelt
Mitigations wise dark knight is the best
open coral
@leaden ginkgo Don't think you have to settle for whatever job you choose either. If you don't like one, you can pick up any other job on the same character without losing MSQ progress (although you will need to level the new job)
faint flare
Overall pld gets more uptime
tidal yarrow
yeah swapping between jobs is super handful and doesn't cost much time at all
dim smelt
With all the magic damage in high level content dark knight is the best at it
wispy parcel
DRK has blackest night which is insane
leaden ginkgo
Right on. Ya I’m a level 12 lancer right now but I realized that I kind of miss tanking. Once I can head to other cities I’ll have to pick one of the other two up
vivid wolf
you need lvl 50 for gnb and dark knight tho
tidal yarrow
Best tanks are right now gnb and dark knight
vivid wolf
60 for gnb i think
tidal yarrow
a lot of ppl would disagree with this
faint flare
60 gnb
vivid wolf
also paladin is cookie cutter tank
open coral
60 for GNB, reach Ishgard for DRK
vivid wolf
great at everything
dim smelt
@tidal yarrow this is only savages ofcoirse
idle sentinel
With the change to nascent flash. Any idea how it will work now?
faint flare
It works like dragon sight
idle sentinel
Will it cast glint on self or random tm8 or something
median locust
You press the button and get the healing thing
leaden ginkgo
Well I have to go, about to arrive to the job site. Thanks again for all the info!
vivid wolf
a great paladin is better than a good dark knight
dim smelt
The changes to warrior were good
faint flare
You dont need a target and can use it solo
dim smelt
It made it a little easier to use but that means it made it better
faint flare
You just wont give glint to anyone but still get the flash effect
idle sentinel
So if u dont choose a target do u get both effects on self?
tidal yarrow
i have not enough knowledge about it, Hi Im fox did a tier list just today, and placed DRK, GNB and PLD all at the somewhat same level tho
faint flare
If you dont target anyone
idle sentinel
Oh ok
dim smelt
@tidal yarrow yeah sounds about right
faint flare
Again. Its basically the Dragon sight change
One warriors have been asking for since it was added
dim smelt
With the newer buffs even warrior will be up there since it won't have to concentrate on keeping uptime on certain buffs
idle sentinel
So ur still better off keeping it macro so u can buff a tm8? I imagine
dim smelt
Tank macros ?
faint flare
You can keep it macro, it will just apply to yourself if it cant target the guy
tidal yarrow
i honestly love that they are all similar and theres not a strict meta
tidal yarrow
and this applies to basically every job except a dew
faint flare
Yes, amazing what happens when devs care about balance
dim smelt
And anyone will be happy to have a warrior just as much as drk or pld or gnb
wispy parcel
Every job is balanced except poor MNK
idle sentinel
I've mained warrior since I started
tidal yarrow
Yes, amazing what happens when devs care about balance
i played so many games where this absolutely doesnt happen
idle sentinel
No complaints
faint flare
5.4
tidal yarrow
5.4 i read somewhere
open coral
Ah, yeah
faint flare
For the revamp
dim smelt
Tanks have been so well balsnced since 5.0 even before that all tanks were good tanks have been insanely balanced
open coral
I couldn't remember if they'd said they were implementing those in 5.35 or in 5.4
dim smelt
5.4 @open coral
wispy parcel
Ehh DRK in 4.X was not great
zinc orbitBOT
tidal yarrow
i started in 5.0 so yeah, not sure how it was before lol
honestly not even, i started in 5.2 im trippin 
wispy parcel
Dark Arts spam was awful
dim smelt
It still could tank magic damage better than others so had its uses
@wispy parcel it was aweful I was so much pro change for drk
open coral
A lot of classes felt really bad during SB
Or specific mechanics for them felt bad
Like WHM's lilies
dim smelt
Warrior felt so strong during sb lol
wispy parcel
War was broken in SB
dim smelt
Yeah
wispy parcel
Easily solo dungeons
dim smelt
Literally top for everything
dim smelt
It was all about getting skill speed and getting as many fell cleaves in a Gina's possible loo
For dps also samurai wasn't good
limpid lantern
Whats this parses i keep seeing being a thing thst people tslk over
dim smelt
With all the new buffs the classes are coming along nicely
open coral
@limpid lantern Parses refer to the data acquired and organized by the addon ACT
dim smelt
@limpid lantern it's basically top people submitting their stats of certain content to check for dps
static yacht
- They didn't think the game would be played by so many players, so instead of handling gear durability for each player after every pull, they will do it all at once at the end of an instance now to reduce stress on the servers
does this mean that
open coral
They basically show you how much (or how little) damage or healing you're doing.
static yacht
when you prog
TEA or something
you don't get durability
loss until you leave the instance?
dim smelt
@static yacht I hope not
limpid lantern
Alright ^^ so basicslly a performance meter for raids
faint flare
You still lose it on death
static yacht
ah ok
dim smelt
Yeab
faint flare
Its primarily on dungeons
So your gear doesn't break mid dungeon pull
Just breaks after the dungeon
wispy parcel
I remember watching a vid pre-ShB where a FFXI stan was praising how WARs had a system of basically switching between DPS and Tank stances (which they could do cause Fell Cleave did so much fucking damage it kept aggro) then a week later they announced that 5.0 was getting rid of DPS stance for all tanks
He was real mad
open coral
WAR didn't do that in SB though?
limpid lantern
I remember asking this before but i dont remember the answer, can i read the patch notes if i dont want any story spoilers ?
faint flare
Skip the top part of the patch notes as it has story screenshots
dim smelt
@wispy parcel I hated that for some classes it was good for other it was a spam mechanic . You basically stored rage then swapped to dps popped of all your fell cleave and back into tank stance . Actually it was fun lol
open coral
@limpid lantern You can. They don't give a ton of story details, even in the MSQ part.
tidal yarrow
i heard ppl saying AST is good also because hes good at dealing a decent amount of damage but then looking at ACT whm is always higher on that so i am confused?
open coral
WHM does better dps than AST, yes.
faint flare
Cause whm has higher personal dps
open coral
^
tidal yarrow
those are buffs?
tidal yarrow
like DNC
open coral
WHM is basically just a dps who can also heal pretty well.
faint flare
Yes
dim smelt
Holy
faint flare
!action The Balance
zinc orbitBOT
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open coral
AST is a support class that can do some dps
faint flare
Example of card buff
tidal yarrow
ah wow
zinc orbitBOT
Powered by XIVAPI
tidal yarrow
so he has to like constantly keep the buffs on the dps
open coral
Basically, yeah
faint flare
Every 30s astro throws out a damage buff
green grail
not constantly, just use them as soon as they can
open coral
AST is more focused on supporting the party than personal dps
dim smelt
Ast has always been more support than healer for me lol . It's an old habbit from older games
green grail
it won't be 100% uptime like a dance partner since theres no passives
open coral
WHM doesn't have that role, so they spend more time dpsing than anything.
faint flare
For one person
And minor arcana buffs the card slightly to be a 8% damage buff
4% if wrong role
dim smelt
Whm also has stronger individual heals I believe ?
faint flare
Strong upfront heals
Astro needs to plan aheqd
For stuff like Earthly and horoscope
dim smelt
Yeah
tropic summit
Does AST have the highest APM from the amount of target switching you have to do between healing, buffing and DPSing?
tidal yarrow
when somebody gets low hp, how do the 2 healers know which of the 2 is gonna heal the guy low hp?
open coral
WHM has the best pure output for both healing and dps of all the healers.
faint flare
People will throw at least 1 heal at them
open coral
Biggest variety of spells available
dim smelt
Whm doesn't have many buffs though
faint flare
Usually sorts it
dim smelt
I forgot that shield that healers popped as soon as dungeon started
What was the name ?
tidal yarrow
also, swiftcast i guess is a spell that res and has really low casting time?
dim smelt
It got removed I think
wispy parcel
Shell
faint flare
Stoneskin?
dim smelt
Shell
wispy parcel
It was removed
dim smelt
Yeah
faint flare
Well rolles into protect
open coral
A good SCH or AST can pre-shield off as much or more damage as a WHM can reactively heal through with a single spell.
faint flare
Them both gone
dim smelt
I think ffxiv is at the moment the most balanced it has ever been
Except for bard
Buff bard plz
open coral
BRD is getting buffs
tidal yarrow
mnk is that bad? i haven't seen that many ppl complaining about it
dim smelt
It's very good
open coral
MNK doesn't feel good to play is the problem.
faint flare
Design wise
open coral
It's fine for damage, it just feels really bad.
dim smelt
But it does the same damage as dragoon at 1000 times the effort
That's why it needs a buff
tidal yarrow
ahh oke
hi im fox in his tier list said that sam is the job that needs a nerf most
does it really?
faint flare
Ranged dps.guy
median locust
That's up to opinion
open coral
SAM is "selfish" dps
median locust
Fox Dyo, Hi_Im_Fox, whatever his name is
open coral
They're strong dps, but they don't do anything for the rest of the party.
dim smelt
If you nerf sam dps them it is gone
faint flare
Made dancer guide
tidal yarrow
a streamer, youtuber, pretty good player
dim smelt
Literally no reason to use sam then
open coral
Yeah, SAM is really just about doing the dps. Literally nothing else.
dim smelt
Ive said it before and I'll say it again . The only reason to use sam is for its personal dps . That is it's only utility
If you nerf that then might as well delete the class altogether
Sam is finally at a good place I hope they don't screw it
tidal yarrow
fair enough, just wanted opinions on this
dim smelt
Yeah if you ask most players they will give you the same reply
limpid lantern
Am i missing something or are classes mostly the same, very few changes except the mana reduction for ast ?
faint flare
There isnt much
open coral
AST is the biggest changes, yea.
dim smelt
@tidal yarrow can you tell me who the youtuber was . I want to go dislike his video and leave a strongly worded argument hahahaha
faint flare
Mainly QoL for war, smn nerf and astro mana and QoL
remote lintel
sleeve draw doesnt draw 3 cards anymore??
faint flare
Only 1
strange yarrow
Hey wow is the game really down for maintenance the entire day? It went down at 5am for me, and it says ill be down until 9pm my time.. thats the whole day
median locust
@dim smelt He's also one of the top SAM on FFLogs if that counts for anything. search for fox ffxiv on google
remote lintel
wtf
tidal yarrow
he's always up for discussion so if you want to leave a comment go ahead, no need to dislike tho its his opinion lol.
should be called Hi_Im_fox on youtube, latest video
faint flare
Yea garrett
remote lintel
@strange yarrow yes it's 24 hours
open coral
@strange yarrow Yes. It's patch 5.3 maintenance
remote lintel
sob
open coral
That's what i'm going to do 😄
tropic summit
ikr, Garrett?
open coral
It is bad, but I'm already playing it @lone hawk
tropic summit
Isn't it unreasonable to ask the FFXIV playerbase to play something else? wtf
dim smelt
@tidal yarrow will do that thanks
open coral
Not like I started new just because of XIV downtime lol
tidal yarrow
np!
remote lintel
how the hell are you supposed to do the ast opener now
lone hawk
mobile games > wow
open coral
New opener
median locust
Play Trivia
dim smelt
@median locust if that is true then I guess he does know better. I'm just saying from a tanks perspective . The only reason to bring a sam is for personal dps
remote lintel
so we just can't buff people at the start at all now??
it's gonna be at least 90 secs in
open coral
Sleeve Draw guarantees you'll get a different seal now if I'm reading it correctly
open coral
So there's less rng to getting all three seals for Div
faint flare
Basically
remote lintel
i know there isnt
strange yarrow
@lone hawk have you played wow?
lone hawk
yes
remote lintel
i'm saying its gong to take longer to get divination off
lone hawk
30 minutes
faint flare
Remember the draw cooldown ticks
lone hawk
uninstalled
faint flare
While yoy hold a card
strange yarrow
Ill say this about wow. Edens verse savage...harder mechanics in wow endgame a decade ago
Thats undenaible
lone hawk
one of the worst experience in any game i have ever played
strange yarrow
Sure, but its endagme is still unmaatched, and so is its pvp
faint flare
You draw pre pull, wait 30s, pull the boss and play the card, draw agaim and play for 2nd seal then sleeve draw for 3rd seal
lone hawk
i have no idea about endgame
faint flare
Divination is gonna be quicker
strange yarrow
dont get me wrong, love ffxiv, its agreat, but doesnt hold a candle to mechanics on endgame in wow and pvp
lone hawk
early game in ff xiv is shit as hell but nowhere as bad as in wow
static yacht
wait
remote lintel
yes but what about groups that dont wait 30s
strange yarrow
I think ffxiv early game was 1000% better than wow i actually enjoyed lvling
static yacht
AST needs 30 seconds pre pull now?
open coral
Meh, WoW pvp isn't all that great. Even the endgame is pretty lackluster unless you've got a good team (which I do). We should move this to #video-games-general though since it's not really a question or help.
static yacht
that's so dumb lmao
strange yarrow
Longer q times in ffxiv for sure
strange yarrow
about 2 minute q time for dps in wow, 20 min here
static yacht
I think its cause WoW doesn't use data centres
strange yarrow
right wrong topoic sorry
lone hawk
for me early game in xiv was super omega slow
faint flare
Well you can probably still settle for 15s pull,just divination delayed by 15s
static yacht
in 14 the pool for DF is all the people in the same data centre
AFAIK, WoW doesn't have that limitation
remote lintel
but the raid buff window reeeeeeee
static yacht
so the population is larger
dim smelt
His opinion was fine I guess . About most classes except sam . Still though I gave a like subscribed and left left a question . No need to bring negative vibes
faint flare
Ask them to wait
remote lintel
i guess thats the only way
lone hawk
what do you think about the weeb factor in ff xiv though?
dim smelt
@lone hawk are coming from almond gold's video?
wintry chasm
🤔 is this a discussion?
dim smelt
My friend showed me a clip of him watching ffxiv shb trailer and calling it's players weebs
open coral
^
tidal yarrow
His opinion was fine I guess . About most classes except sam . Still though I gave a like subscribed and left left a question . No need to bring negative vibes
I'm so glad you found it interesting! I find fox a pretty nice content creator
dim smelt
Sorry
faint flare
Discussion in my question channel? More likely than you think
dim smelt
@tidal yarrow yeah his content was well explained and to the point
No screaming was a huge +
wintry chasm
I said #general-discussion
tropic summit
Patch notes mention Yo-kai watch event but I don't think it says it's coming back as part of 5.3
What's up with that? Also, there was mention of shop inventories for MGP changing at some point as part of seasonal events. When does that usually happen?
remote lintel
it's coming later noodle
wintry chasm
^
strange yarrow
Haha okay we move the topic, but remember this, Its ALWAYS been ffxiv, VS Wow. NEver the other way around
dim smelt
It's coming with ishagard construction maybe . Don't take my word for it
wintry chasm
open coral
Next week.
dim smelt
Thankyou for the timeline @wintry chasm
tropic summit
Oh I've never even heard of the Rising and Make It Rain
wintry chasm
Rising is the XIV anniversary event
neat stratus
Do tanks or healers do more dmg? Or arent healers required to dps?
wintry chasm
and make it rain is a gold saucer thing where you get bonus MGP
remote lintel
depends on the tank and healer
wintry chasm
Every role is expected to do damage
open coral
If the tank uses their cds appropriately, a healer should be dpsing at least a much as they're healing.
neat stratus
Realistically speaking. Which healer/tank does the most dmg ?
remote lintel
all tanks do similar damage
faint flare
One played well
wintry chasm
Pretty far but not a worthless amount
icy bridge
I wanna switch onto primal
Is there anything that different/ anything i should know about the general consensus of the community there before i do? Just curious
wintry chasm
Half? Bit more than half?
remote lintel
@icy bridge no
icy bridge
Aight
wintry chasm
bit less RP reputation and whatnot
remote lintel
i dont get the description of neutral sect
remote lintel
can you just spam aspecteds and get a huge regen or what
fresh lodge
!action Neutral Sect
zinc orbitBOT
Powered by XIVAPI
remote lintel
not that one
wintry chasm
the second bit means your aspected stuff will provide regen AND shields
delicate stone
Nope, they don’t stack with themselves
remote lintel
the patch notes one
wintry chasm
Oh
fresh lodge
Oh
delicate stone
Oh
median locust
The AoE regen stacks with the single target regen
remote lintel
ohh
median locust
Pretty sure that's what it means
delicate stone
Only when ur in nocturnal sect tho
remote lintel
i see
delicate stone
Tbh stacking regen like that isn’t massive
wintry chasm
(can someone quick link the patch notes?)
delicate stone
wintry chasm
Thanks
delicate stone
I don’t think the neutral sect change is massive bc regens dont last that long into a fight and the only time you’d really stack them like that is for an opener
Probably better off sect swapping to stack neutral sect buffs at that point
delicate stone
The other mp changes tho are massive
And the sleave draw change is... controversial
fresh lodge
It looks like it's just bringing AST's regens in line with how WHM works
remote lintel
im so salty about sleeve draw 
delicate stone
They’re essentially giving ast the mp regen they needed, making their rotation much simpler, and nerfing rdps
remote lintel
its MY buffs and i want them NOW
neat stratus
If you were to recommend a class which best fits these criterias. Which job would you go.
- above average mobility
- burst dps aoe and st
- quicker/more fluid gameplay then slow/static.
- big hits/crits
- viable for mythic raiding (wow comparison)
- not the hardest class in the game (as it will be my first.
- decent solo
- wanted/perferred dps in group content.
1-2-3 examples and why would be real awesome if some of you could provide.
delicate stone
A lot of asts wouldn’t mind the rdps decrease if only they made SD interesting to use besides “better draw on a 180sec cd”
Maybe summoner?
remote lintel
@neat stratus really any of the ranged dps. machinist, bard, dancer
all jobs are viable
fresh lodge
@neat stratus That sounds like Machinet or SMN
delicate stone
^
median locust
Summoner fits most if not all of those points. Only thing is, it's hard to learn initially.
fresh lodge
More SMN than MCH imo
remote lintel
i guess he can't start as machinist or dancer tho
delicate stone
But machinest isnt available lvl 1 (or smn technically cuz arcanust lel)
median locust
But learning classes in this game isn't that bad, you get 80 levels to get used to it
If you wanna go Summoner, start as Arcanist.
remote lintel
i still need to learn summoner 
wintry chasm
Also sounds like maybe Samurai?
neat stratus
@median locust isnt smn all about the dots? Not AS bursty
delicate stone
Summoner rotation makes sense through the leveling process. It develops much more nicely than say blm whose rotation changes every 10 levels
median locust
Years ago maybe
fresh lodge
Not really
median locust
Now it is very bursty
remote lintel
summoner is bursty
fresh lodge
Dots are just consistent damage but they're mostly bursty now
faint flare
It bursts every 55/60s
delicate stone
Also based on your description dont play blm
median locust
You have 2 dots to keep up and an attack that does more damage when your dots are up
hot shore
best tank class im a pld now
median locust
But you have tons of burst
fresh lodge
There is no best tank
hot shore
Oh good to know, i do enjoy pld, but was debating trying the others.
remote lintel
the best tank is the one you like the most
fresh lodge
They're all close enough where the difference in minor
zinc orbitBOT
hot shore
I was just hoping to find a way to do a little more damage
fresh lodge
Oh btw
remote lintel
i think its metameme
fresh lodge
Stupid auto correct
faint flare
Yeah
fresh lodge
!faq meta
zinc orbitBOT
faint flare
Oh they changes it back
hot shore
I am totally getting used to being here, I just joined today.
fresh lodge
Yeah I put it back last week
faint flare
:+1:
neat stratus
SMN is the class ive looked at the most. Then SAM. Tho they arent a starter class
faint flare
Sam just needs lv50 to get and starts at 50
tropic summit
Even DNC is CRAAAAAAZY bursty running through earlier content
Class balance at low levels is all over the place
static yacht
classes aren't really balanced for low levels AFAIK
they're only balanced for level 80
tropic summit
Yeah
median locust
definitely
tropic summit
Some classes are stupid broken OP simply from getting AoEs earlier than others
neat stratus
What happens if you level to "level X" and want to try a new job. Can you keep progressing the story ? Like is it scaling or how does it work ? As it's only 1 story per character with multiple jobs ?
static yacht
you have to elvel up the new job
to the same level your old job was
to continue story
all story quests have a level requirement
neat stratus
Oh
stark sleet
When you are leveling a job that is lower than your highest level job, you get a big XP boost, though
neat stratus
So leveling a 2nd 3rd 10th job is a different leveling method then the first? Which is the only unique one ?
remote lintel
yes because you have story quests to give exp
faint flare
The story handles youe first job
median locust
Yeah Main Story gives the most exp out of everything AND unlock like 99% of the game. You only do it once
faint flare
Alt jobs level primarily through dungeon spam
static yacht
on your 2nd job, you need to do other stuff
this is assuming you aren't on a preferred world AFAIK
on a preferred world, you can probly level 2 jobs at the same time
teal isle
is it better to unsync if you're trying to party finder for stormblood-era extremes?
static yacht
yes
always unsync
no one wants to suffer through mechanics when you can bulldoze it
remote lintel
you unsync all extremes except current ones
neat stratus
So taking your first choice straight to 80 is pretty important before doing other stuff
remote lintel
no
you do other stuff when you want to
you can't even do the side content without doing story
teal isle
excellent, that's what i suspected but good to have it confirmed
remote lintel
if you try to level grind to 80 you'll have no lvl 80 content to do
teal isle
finally gonna try to get my hands on some of the Tsukuyomi weapons i'm in love with
neat stratus
Are you level 80 long before story is done ?
tropic summit
Depends exactly how you play, but for me, that was true
I had to actively fight overlevelling the MSQ by playing other classes
timber robin
Hi, sorry for the noob question but I just bought stormblood at Walmart and it says it requires a realm reborn? How would I go about that if it's disc? I'm not sure I understand
wispy parcel
For ShB usually no
static yacht
uhhhhhhhh
static yacht
you might want a refund on that
median locust
Shadowbringers includes Stormblood and 99% of stores don't sell Stormblood anymore
yeah that's why
it's discontinued
It should still work of course but yeah
timber robin
Bruh
wispy parcel
Just buy FFXIV complete edition
tropic summit
Because I only did a bit of MSQ per day, I had to distribute the daily roulette exp across PLD, WHM and DNC. My PLD ended up lv80 before I even started ShB lmao
wispy parcel
Digitally
timber robin
I was like oh this is on sale let me buy the game to try it out
remote lintel
you bought dlc without the base game
median locust
Stormblood is only DLC, you need the base game to play it
timber robin
I guess I should've researched more.
solemn delta
Just as a curiousity in previous patches like this, with 24h maintenances when can you usually download the patch?
Few hours before?
timber robin
Is it worth keeping it?
remote lintel
no
neat stratus
@tropic summit were u on one of those boosted exp servers ?
wispy parcel
About an hour or so before the maintances is done
timber robin
Damn.
tropic summit
@neat stratus I wasn't, so having that buff would have been even crazier
solemn delta
Well that's a bit crap. I'll never download it in time lol.
median locust
It isn't even sold anymore, that's why it'S 3 dollars, they're getting rid of it lol
solemn delta
Good thing I'm busy tomorrow after patch is done lol
wispy parcel
With all MMOs buying the latest expansion gives you all the previous onces
neat stratus
Is it recommended starting on a "preferred" server ?
remote lintel
sure
wispy parcel
@solemn delta considering how bad 14's launcher is and how many people will be downloading it at once, it's gonna take a couple hours anyway
neat stratus
But can the server be "dead"?
remote lintel
no
alpine shadow
@timber robin how much did you pay for it? if you got it for cheap, then its kinda worth
solemn delta
No they are usually very populated
remote lintel
it's not worth jt
lone hawk
just joking 😄
azure kettle
I haven't unlocked ninja yet but I'm playing as rogue, I'm guessing hide becomes useless once I get ninja? Bc you can't use it in combat to use TA
remote lintel
it's just an extra 3 dollars
lone hawk
but its 24 hours, right?
solemn delta
And there's literally zero downside to being on a different server but same DC as your friends
wispy parcel
Pretty sure WoW had a week long maintainence once
timber robin
$3
lone hawk
$3
azure kettle
Oh ok, that's pretty useful
alpine shadow
3 dollar aint bad
low sun
but useless
solemn delta
Yeah you use the one that gives you attack speed etc then reset before fight starts
low sun
sicne you dont get the 3$ off of buying shadowbringers
solemn delta
I forget name of it
low sun
and stormblood is included in ShB anyway
kind eagle
Dungeons and raid are crossworld iirc
zinc orbitBOT
alpine shadow
atleast you have an expansion more than heavensward
solemn delta
Lowers recast etc
lone hawk
whats $3 anyway about?
vivid wolf
what time does the update go live?
wispy parcel
Dude bought stormblood for 3 bucks but doesnt have the base game
lone hawk
24 hours
vivid wolf
24h from now?
lone hawk
no
alpine shadow
sure, its useless for him unless he buys the base game
alpine shadow
but its not worth refunding it imo
kind eagle
Isnt playing on ps4 harder than computer?
kind eagle
you can use a computer
wispy parcel
XIV was made for consoles
vivid wolf
quite a few people use controllers on pc
kind eagle
with controller
lone hawk
on pc you play with controler too
wispy parcel
So not really
kind eagle
Yeah like shizuka rin
neat stratus
Is there a "better" DC in EU?
lone hawk
dc?
alpine shadow
what
vivid wolf
datacenter
remote lintel
@neat stratus no
vivid wolf
no
alpine shadow
there is only chaos and light dc for eu
wispy parcel
All DC's are the same
lone hawk
yup
wispy parcel
Just pick the one you live closest to
remote lintel
except crystal a lil bit
lone hawk
i dont even know on which one i play 😄
open coral
Even Crystal is pretty much like the rest of the DCs
lone hawk
chaos or light... i think
remote lintel
you're on light
open coral
As long as you stay away from Balmung
wispy parcel
Im on Mateus
lone hawk
mateus is not dc i think or im wrong?
open coral
Oh, yeah, Mateus too.
wispy parcel
Which used to be a nice low pop server
wispy parcel
Until the great server split
open coral
Mateus is a server on the Crystal datacenter
lone hawk
yeah
alpine shadow
mateus is not on eu
lone hawk
thats what i was thinking
lone hawk
why its so hot though 😦
wispy parcel
Crystal is a NA DC
lone hawk
how much ping to jp server so i can speak with japanese people? Is ping does even matter? I was thinking about alting on jp server
alpine shadow
ping matters
lone hawk
I wanted to practice my language by playing games 😄
open coral
I play from NA (east coast) on Tonberry (JP) and the ping is not horrible. You notice it, but it's not crippling.
And that's literally being on the opposite side of the planet
lone hawk
are jp people nice to foreigners?
open coral
Only if you prove you can understand them
wispy parcel
"Filthy Gaijin"
vivid wolf
they arent that good at english most of the time
so make sure you know basic japanese
faint flare
Or use auto translate
remote basin
How the heck do we end up with a 24 hour maintenance... that seems super unreasonable.
lone hawk
yeah i wanted to try practice my japanese, but my japanese is like at a2-b1 😄
open coral
Tonberry and Kujata are the "English speaking" JP servers, and the best place to go if you want to play on a JP server as a non JP player.
vivid wolf
best game to learn japanese is pokemon
remote lintel
@remote basin it's a major patch
halcyon glen
The server Kujata is known for having a moderate English population as well
faint flare
They always do 24 hour maintenances for major patches
neat stratus
I like how I've asked like 8 noob questions and all of them very nicely responded by multiple people . Try doing that on the WOW discord. You'd be ignored, unanswered, flamed and told by everyone to Google it :P already like this game and i havent logged in yet
wispy parcel
@remote basin there is always a 24 hour maintance before a major patch
remote basin
That just seems really long? I can't think of any other game that needs 24 hours.
sudden wolf
Well
vivid wolf
ffxiv is probably the least toxic mmo out there
remote lintel
@neat stratus the community on this game is mostly nice
faint flare
Other games don't get TONS of content on patches
sudden wolf
This game has baby servers that can’t handle anything
halcyon glen
Trust us it’s worth it
lone hawk
@neat stratus because in essence, wow is for old trollish dudes, they6 like to troll around
sacred ether
i rather they take the most time they can and ensure the patch goes well
sudden wolf
Please understand
wispy parcel
There hasnt been a matinance cycle in 5 months
vivid wolf
probably cuz we know that if we scare new people away, the game would die
wispy parcel
The game sorely needs it
sacred ether
rather than half-baked patches
wispy parcel
Hence why I said major patches
halcyon glen
faint flare
Plus back end stuff, putting in event stuff early so they can just flip it on without maintenances etc
open coral
They always do 24 hour maintenance for major patches and expansions
wispy parcel
Basically every .X patch has a 24 hour maintance cycle before it launches
open coral
That allows them to ensure that when the content goes live, there aren't major server issues (such as WoW routinely sees when major content is released).
halcyon glen
Trust us it’s worth it
wispy parcel
We dont want a repeat of the stormblood launch
open coral
Raubahn Savage
tropic summit
I have to admit I've never heard of a 24hr maintenance on anything before FFXIV
remote lintel
controller players never have a hard time targeting NPCs 
faint flare
Its common for vets
open coral
WoW used to have 24 hour maintenance cycles
plain python
is new game+ a chapter replay?
spring oasis
What time is patch
remote lintel
6 am et
faint flare
Basically momo
You replay the story and you get to pick where you start
From various chapters
spring oasis
Cool
wispy parcel
Like I said before WoW at one point had a week long maintanece when the infamous wow plauge was spreading
Back in like 05
plain python
the MMO I used to play had like 3-5 hours maintenance, even on big update, though those publishers love to delay the time, lol
wispy parcel
Depends on how large the player base is and how much content the patch adds
They said 5.3 is going to be the biggest patch yet, even bigger than 3.3 was
And 3.3 was HUGE
median locust
They also haven't done maintenance in a good while, because of covid
silk wedge
Does anyone know how much of the ARR MSQ the patch will delete?
remote lintel
13%
wispy parcel
Mostly the filler
plain python
do I need to update the client for the new patch now?
silk wedge
Ok, thx.
shrewd drum
I've just come back, but haven't got the new xpac yet. What's the fastest way to level alt jobs to 70 atm? I was getting 40 min palace queues (used to be near instant)
wispy parcel
Nope the download doesnt go live until Maint is almost done
faint flare
!faq altlvlguide
remote lintel
!faq altlvlguide
plain python
kk
remote lintel
faint flare
Gottem
wispy parcel
Word of warning tho
The client for XIV sucks shit
And everyone is gonna be downloading it at once
Will probably take a few hours
remote lintel
get on at 6:01 AM and download it 
faint flare
Prepare for restarts as everyone tries to fit in through the door
wispy parcel
I play on PS4 so I dont have to deal with the awful client
simple pine
what time does it go live in US? in eu everyone will be at work
wispy parcel
I have to deal with the incredibly slow copy speed
low sun
i had full download speed a few days ago, so cant really say it was awful for me, but we'll see how it holds up tomorrow 😄
shrewd drum
can't you just put an ssd in the shitbox?
wispy parcel
Thats cause the client wasnt real busy for 5 months
First new content in almost half a year
Shits gonna fall apart
And an SSD wouldnt make the copy speed go faster on console
The download speed is perfectly fine
lone hawk
I have like 500 mb/s
wispy parcel
Client limits download speed usually, and on console PSN has an internal limit to download speed
The latter is very dumb amd I have no idea why sony does it
visual ledge
is maintenance always 24hr?
candid raptor
No kek
faint flare
For major patches yes
visual ledge
faint flare
Minor patches no
candid raptor
Only for big patches
faint flare
X.X patches are usually long and rarely come up early
X.XX Are usually shorter and can come up early
visual ledge
i dont get it
visual ledge
oo like seasons
faint flare
Like 5.35
visual ledge
ok thx
remote lintel
5.2 wasn't 24 hours tho
faint flare
Usually long
lone hawk
and new expansions i like X
remote lintel
yes
lone hawk
so next year there will be 6.0