how much damage is standard step?
#questions-and-help
tidal yarrow
simple pine
how do you go above second flame leutenant? or cant do it still in ARR?
faint flare
1000 potency
simple shore
Alot. You should be using it on CD
faint flare
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trail prairie
is it okay to use cracked clusters (materia VI i think) to just trade in to sell on the MB?
i have a few i never ended up using
tidal yarrow
thx
leaden ginkgo
What's the fastest way to get 37 million XP for 79 to 80? I already used my MSQ and leveling bonus today.
twilit arch
t7's are mainly used for overmelding, so if you don't see yourself making use of them for that then yeah go ahead and sell on marketboard @trail prairie
tidal yarrow
what's the highest damage from a single ability in the game?
trail prairie
ty
oak ice
I've seen 150k+ tech finish
faint flare
Techincal step or Ninja ice shurkirens
simple shore
@leaden ginkgo do the rest of your roulettes. Do Pixie dailies. If you're still short spam Mt. Gulg
tidal yarrow
I heard shb fates can give a lot of exp didn't try personally tho
leaden ginkgo
Good idea! I had forgotten about the Pixie dailies :o
oak ice
Saw someone mention tech has done 200k, but I haven't seen it
simple shore
idk about highest damage. i imagine top four are Drill, Tech Finish, Xenoglossy, and Midare
not necessarily in that order
tidal yarrow
how much does higanbana buff the next attack? 50%?
simple shore
Yes
simple shore
Yes but potency is not the same for one job as another
halcyon glen
Dancers usually end up with the highest single damage instance in any fight they’re in outside of Limit Breaks
Simply because Tech Step is in fact that good
simple shore
Yeah, i dont doubt that. Just saying that you cant compare potency between skills from two different jobs and know which hits harder.
mossy tartan
Is the drop chance for ‘Antique mail’ any different than the other antique pieces? Ran snowcloak 11 times and only got the other ones
tidal yarrow
what's drill?
simple shore
Machinist skill
faint flare
Machinist skill
oak ice
MCH 700 potency ability
halcyon glen
Machinist things
simple shore
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faint flare
And thry can make that guaranteed direct critical hit
oak ice
Pairs with Assemble for dcrit
faint flare
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tidal yarrow
cool
magic light
hyosho
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halcyon glen
That way I can dump all my aiming gear
halcyon glen
Samurai is the definitive hard hitting melee
agile laurel
all the melee dps are kinda equally set, and then samurai played properly goes screeeeee
halcyon glen
So coming from that you might notice your red numbers going down a little bit
simple shore
DRG does fine DPS, but it doesnt have any really "stand out" single absurd hit like the skills we've been discussing.
halcyon glen
It does have some of the flashiest skills in the game though
tidal yarrow
ah okay, I heard it has many ogcds
halcyon glen
Starfire dive? Yes please.
agile laurel
yeah dragoon has a lot
tidal yarrow
sounds fun, I'm gonna keep leveling it
halcyon glen
It’s got lots of OGCDs but notably not a lot of time to use them
You cannot double weave jumps
Or you will clip
agile laurel
Yeah dragoon really requires you to know what you can and can't do
halcyon glen
Every single time
agile laurel
ranking melee dps, nin drg and mnk are all kinda close to each other
and sam pulls ahead
tidal yarrow
gotcha
halcyon glen
That doesn’t mean DRG is less useful than SAM tho
agile laurel
yeah
tidal yarrow
good!
agile laurel
drg has some actual utility
simple shore
As someone who feels a personal affinity to DRG
halcyon glen
DRG has really nice buffs, especially to a single ally
simple shore
my first job back in ARR
agile laurel
plus certainly on aoe it will chunk the hell out of mobs with proper usage of geir/nastrond
simple shore
I'm really glad that the meme went from floortank DRG's to freestyle SAM's
halcyon glen
Oh don’t worry
simple shore
probably because the shitty DRG's all rerolled SAM
agile laurel
you do have to kinda deal with the fact that all of its aoe tools beside dragonfire dive are lines/cones.
agile laurel
because he's the haha XIV funnyman, haven't you heard
tidal yarrow
also, I saw some ppl on youtube averaging 22k dps as sam on savage raids. I tried against a dummy and I have like 15k. how's this possible? okay their rotations may be better (100%) and maybe they have more than ilv480 gear that I have. but that's a huge damn difference to me..
agile laurel
22k in burst possibly
halcyon glen
And with party buffs
agile laurel
outside of absolute bis I'd be surprised if you can sustain that on sam
simple shore
You should never compare dummy damage to raid damage
agile laurel
yeah, any sam will inevitably have dance partner if a dnc is present
oak ice
Food, pots, party buffs etc
agile laurel
and party buffs aligned. and burst.
mossy tartan
What is the average damage for a BiS white mage?
halcyon glen
Throw a Dance Partner on him, throw up a trick attack, and I dunno let’s throw Embolden out too for good measure
Oh and give him a melee card
agile laurel
and battle lit. and battle voice.
tidal yarrow
You should never compare dummy damage to raid damage
because of party buffs and foods as they mentioned or..?
halcyon glen
Ehh that’s too many DPS Thooo
agile laurel
don't forget devilment
halcyon glen
That was implied under dance partner
simple shore
Raid buffs, food buffs, the passive stat buffs for being in party, etc. etc. etc.
Dummy damage is a worthless measure, basically
tidal yarrow
ahh oki
agile laurel
also why stone sky sea is a terrible measure for your capability
halcyon glen
So yeah a big giant Midare under raid buffs is gonna hurt
agile laurel
150k direct crit go brrrrr
halcyon glen
^
tidal yarrow
also why stone sky sea is a terrible measure for your capability
wdym?
simple shore
followed by another 150k direct crit
agile laurel
literally the above reasons
stone sky sea is you hitting a dummy for 3 minutes and it says 'congratulations you are ready for savage'
nah
tidal yarrow
well, it's still good to practice your rotations. no?
agile laurel
so is hitting any dummy at all
halcyon glen
Coincidentally that 150k direct crit is why it works out best that DNC buffs come out last in the raid buff window
Because the first DNC buff to come out is accompanied by a 1500 potency nuke
So having Trick on for that is very nice
leaden ginkgo
Are pixies the only ones with a tribal quest in ShB or are there others?
Also, does the XP given by tribal quest scale to my level? For example, can I go back to HW or ARR tribes and still get millions of XP?
halcyon glen
Pixies are the only combat beast tribe in ShB
strange coral
There's also qitari tribe in ShB, but it's for gatherers. The quests from past expansions cap out at the level cap for that expansion.
leaden ginkgo
Oh, okay! I didn't realize there were dailies for non-combat jobs too :o
halcyon glen
Stormblood and Heavensward have two combat beast tribes each so the EXP from dailies is kinda spread between them as compared to the pixies
leaden ginkgo
Gotcha! That'll be good to know for the next job I level. Thank you very much :o
halcyon glen
But even then, they only are good EXP up until the level cap of their expansion
gritty oracle
Good story though regardless of XP
short sparrow
Why might I not have completed 'mapping the realms' for an area even though I've been there and been all around it?
faint flare
Probably a small part of the map you're missing
agile laurel
map completion can be finicky
faint flare
Like a small corner or puddle
agile laurel
I didn't get amh araeng til i flew over a very specific spot yesterday
faint flare
Open your map and look for white spots
short sparrow
OK I now see where it must be.
There's one of the 'red pins' that isn't surrounded by map.
Well, turns out there was a 'there' there. 
faint flare
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patent swift
does anyone know if there is a setting to turn off the bloom/blur around your character?
i'm trying to make make some char. ref, but i can't get a clean selection because of the weird shadow blur
Oh my god
Nevermind, i had depth of field on
jolly sorrel
How should I be deciding whether to diurnal or nocturnal sect? I feel like diurnal is way more MP efficient, and we're pressed for MP to begin with. But I just had a ghastly bad Gubal leveling run with people taking damage all over the place, I feel like straight up shields may have avoided more deaths than regens saved me MP.
faint flare
Diurnal is flat out bettwr
twilit arch
diurnal is more mana efficient yeah
for dungeons though, its mostly personal preference
faint flare
You go nocturnal when shields are REQUIRED for the content or your co healer is another Astro
twilit arch
both are fine, tbh
faint flare
Its fine to be Diurnal with white mage
leaden ginkgo
what's the recommended gear for lvl 31 crafters?
jolly sorrel
I feel like straight up shields may have avoided more deaths than regens saved me MP.
Or is this faulty thinking and would the shields not have given more survivability?
leaden ginkgo
make my own, buy HQ, or buy from vendor?
faint flare
HQ gear if youre able to as it definitely helps out
twilit arch
its hard to say without being in the run itself, tael
faint flare
But otherwise vendor gear is mostly fine
twilit arch
but chances are no it wouldn't have mattered if you were diurnal or nocturnal
jolly sorrel
Hmkay, so AST shields aren't the "more MP cost, strong heals" kinda deal? They're really purely the 'need more eHP or you're dead' thing?
twilit arch
its pretty much like sch shields
high tundra
Are there any places one can go to find groups for extreme trails for quest completion?
twilit arch
but without the ability to crit shield
put up a party finder group, most people are willing to do those unsync'd
high tundra
Ahh
I've been using duty finder constantly but as a DPS player it tends to take forever.
leaden ginkgo
My bf was telling me something about ishgard being rly good for leveling you gather/crafters what elvel can you start that
faint flare
20 after unlocking it
leaden ginkgo
is it better than just grinding normally?
faint flare
Its very comparable to leves
leaden ginkgo
if so ill swap ive been grinding mythril for like an hour
hmm alright ill check out how to unlock it
ty!
faint flare
You never just raw grind
simple pine
how do i put a skill in a macro?
little swift
you do /ac "skill name" @simple pine
as the command
however i'm hoping you're not using that for gcds
because thats inherently not good
high tundra
Fair I'm returning after a short break to the game so kind of forgot how people rarely use duty finder it took me like an hour when I had to do Ultimate weapon to find a whole group with it
rose oak
at what lvl u leave stormblood?im 65 and i really dont like that xpac
rugged flicker
So are the beast tribe quests for 5.3 for sure going to be crafting related?
twilit arch
yes
you can sell them on the marketboard if you don't intend to use them
that said, retainer acts as both your bank and auctioneer
lavish vortex
Where can I find lvl 6-8 fates?
lavish vortex
To level up warrior
simple shore
Do hunting log. Its vastly superior if you havent done it already.
lavish vortex
I have the 1st one completed, but need to be lvl 10 for the next one
I’m at 8
So a couple of fates should do it
Or a run of 1-10 floors at potd, maybe that’s faster?
simple shore
Probably. idk, i havent done low levels without preferred bonus in a long time. like, since ARR long.
lavish vortex
It’s a pain
simple shore
Stupid question - do you have the exp bonus ring?
agile laurel
What's the term for 'GCD has triggered, animation has started, but after about .2 seconds game decides nah and doesn't do anything'?
simple shore
If not you should go get it
agile laurel
Looking at you MCH
faint flare
Refunding
lavish vortex
@simple shore haha I do have the ring
agile laurel
That it?
faint flare
Mhm, it refunded your gcd
agile laurel
Like, 'I have pressed heat blast, heat blast has happened, but game decided hypercharge ran out'
now I'm sitting here like a fuckin moron losing a gcd on wildfire
agile laurel
probably crit>dh>det
faint flare
Comfy sks (pld wants around 2.4s) > crit > dh > det
agile laurel
at a guess, cause everything uses that
simple shore
Yeah every job has some SkS/SpS level they want. Or dont want.
after that its pretty much Crit > DH > Det for nearly everyone
jagged crow
okay
agile laurel
if you have neo-ishgardian gear, that has some fairly generous sks allocation
simple shore
That depends on the server
Every economy is different
Given that you're on Primal
jagged crow
I am not done with shB so I can't craft any 80 stuff
simple shore
I highly suggest you check out Famfrits MB, it tends to be dirt cheap
jagged crow
ty
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agile laurel
neo-ish tends to be 50k a pop on crystal, dunno how that compares to content chasing DCs but it's not too bad
jolly sorrel
Is there a guide or table somewhere to see which ast regens and shields overwrite other ast, whm or sch abilities?
(or can someone list me stuff? :( )
twilit arch
Regens generally will not overwrite each other, unless its from the same source (for ast that its, not the case with white mage)
faint flare
Ast regens stack with all but another astro, shields don't stack with scholar shields
jagged crow
On exodus it's like 100k per item
agile laurel
di asp.benefic will overwrite a di asp. benefic
noct asp.benefic will overwrite everything from scholar
di intersect will overwrite everything from scholar
di asp.benefic will stack with Regen, as does every aspect of di ast and whm's kit
in short, don't noct with a scholar
and watch your intersects
faint flare
Usually if it doesn't stack it.typically says it
jolly sorrel
All ast regens from a single ast stack on top of eachother too? I can asp ben and asp helios, collective, celestial all on top of eachother for massive overheals?
glad comet
Whats even the point of undraw
twilit arch
its a hold over from sb more or less
simple shore
Wow, really? that got deleted
faint flare
Trash
agile laurel
there isn't one
twilit arch
you can pretty much take it off your hotbar
yes, that got deleted because this isn't place to make such comments
doesn't matter if it was a joke or not
agile laurel
@jolly sorrel yes
glad comet
Mmm, ok.
agile laurel
everything from a single astrologian will stack
jolly sorrel
Hmkay, very cool. Same with shields then, just to confirm? I can cast four stacking shields on a tank?
agile laurel
just bear in mind hots don't do anything to synastry
faint flare
If they're completely different shields that aren't scholar shields
faint flare
Bension and TBN stacks with noct shield
agile laurel
oh wait hang on
jolly sorrel
Asp Ben, asp helios, celestial and collective shields?
agile laurel
ignore me, pardon - noct ast intersect will be a regen
faint flare
Bene and helios give the same shield
jolly sorrel
Regens too?
faint flare
Different regens
jolly sorrel
Gee
agile laurel
asp.benefic and then asp.helios only applies Nocturnal Field so it doesn't do anything
simple shore
Honestly unless you're forced into Noct because double AST its almost always better to be in Di
agile laurel
however asp.benefic and asp.helios DIURNAL do stack
faint flare
Regens typically stack but shields are slightly more picky
simple shore
because the shields are lower throughput than the regens, and as such are only particularly beneficial if they prevent someone from being oneshot
agile laurel
and higher mp cost ^
simple shore
Yes, that too
jolly sorrel
Okay, so three self stacking shields or four self stacking regens, regens stack with whm but shields not with sch
And no two ast stack with eachother
simple shore
I stand by my original deleted comment, because it was mostly not a joke, tbh. nearly only reason to be in Noct is because double AST
twilit arch
noct sect may not be as mp efficient as diurnal, but that doesn't make it bad
its perfectly useable
acoustic lichen
rather odd question but I’ve been playing a lot of Sam and got some time so might level a monk
agile laurel
Basically just consider it like
ast singular = yes
di ast+whm = yes
noct ast+ sch = yes
noct ast+ whm = yes i guess
every other situation is a no
proven wadi
Not sure its an appropriate question here, but does anyone know, or know where I could ask, about how to use reshade to fix the bright weather of shadowbringers? I have light sensitivity and can't play the game because of how much it hurts my eyes to look at a lot of the terrain and towns.
acoustic lichen
How is monks gameplay with the positionals
Seems hella effort to constantly move
Or is that over stated
twilit arch
its a bit overstated
agile laurel
there's a lot of them. Between Riddle of Earth and TN though you barely have to follow positional requirements tho
twilit arch
as most of the time you can position yourself to be able to have very little movement
faint flare
You get into a rhythm at a point
twilit arch
!faq positional
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faint flare
Where the flank meets the rear
twilit arch
You can basically hover near the "ass corner" portion so that you don't have to move that much
faint flare
Thr ass corner as you will
agile laurel
@proven wadi it isn't a solution to your problem, but open this at your own risk of spoilers ||Bright-ass sky isn't forever||
acoustic lichen
Ah I see that’s awesome visual thanks
jolly sorrel
Noct Asp Ben seems great on paper if you're in content where you need a lot of oh shit buttons in a row, like a roulette with a crappy tank.
Instant shields on gcd
acoustic lichen
And in terms of their rotation is it similar to Sam in terms of fluidity
faint flare
Its very rapid
agile laurel
synastry B2 heals for like 60% of a tank's health in roulettes
proven wadi
Yea I saw about that, || Im struggling to reach that point purely because of how uncomfortable it is to play. I can't read text boxes if the camera is panned over the crystal wall in Ahm or the tile floor in crystarium. ||
agile laurel
so it's like, overthinking it
acoustic lichen
As in a tonne of buttons rapid
agile laurel
Eesh, unfortunate then - I don't use reshade so sorry I can't help
faint flare
Very quick GCD
acoustic lichen
Latency dependent ?
agile laurel
sam is also rather quick by 80
you can get away with sam with highish ping
as with mnk, mostly
acoustic lichen
I think I have good latency
agile laurel
the only job you're gonna get screwed on with latency is mch
acoustic lichen
Just gone through monk skills and it doesn’t seem all that crazy
agile laurel
it really isn't
jolly sorrel
Synastry has a long cooldown though, if the tank only screws up every two minutes may as well go diurnal
carmine goblet
@proven wadi have you tried lowering the gamma in system settings?
faint flare
Iirc gl4 gets it like near 2s?
agile laurel
monk is damned simple once you understand the form rotation
agile laurel
Monk requires thinking outside the box a lot more than sam
faint flare
^
acoustic lichen
Yeah I like the face roll though ahah
agile laurel
it's another 'how do I make the best out of a very simple toolkit' job
like red mage
acoustic lichen
Ah I see
faint flare
Monk is basically "is this stance buff/debuff up? If use, use damage skill, if no, apply buff/debuff"
Rinse repeat
agile laurel
only with more caveats
acoustic lichen
Rdm seems proc based thoug
faint flare
Punch fast
acoustic lichen
Monk seems like go nuts every minute or so
agile laurel
yeah it has like. some burst.
depends on your proc reaction/luck on how many TFCs you can get, but beside that
acoustic lichen
So as simple as rdm but not as procy
agile laurel
once learned, yeah
monk i'd say is notably harder to pick up if only because it makes less sense in its presentation
but can be explained much more simply
acoustic lichen
I quite like the presentation through stances
simple shore
tbh RDM doesnt feel very proc-based. I mean, the procs help, but they're not like....make or break to your gameplay, and accel guarantees them. On RDM i never feel like "oh, i got a bad string of luck, my damage is now terrible"
acoustic lichen
I haven’t played any job which is massively proc based
They just pop up and it’s nice
simple shore
DNC is the RNG job, if anything
acoustic lichen
I quite liked the look of monks ‘burst window’ as it were
simple shore
that and BRD
acoustic lichen
Looked kinda rewarding
proven wadi
Yea i tried everything in game setting wise. I'll just try to push through it if I can.
Worst come to worst I'll just have to get a friend to play through it for me or wait till next expansion so I can get a ShB skip
mossy tartan
What is the name of the paladin’s skill that throws what seems like a snowflake above him? (A bit like WHM’s holy)
river portal
For eternal bonding, is this local time?
left moth
yes
river portal
so based on my system time then
left moth
yes (local system clock time)
river portal
kk thank you
dry prairie
what is the difference between the "complete edition" and "collector complete edition", i see the description and both are the same, just one is more expensive than the other im not seeing something here?
left moth
complete collectors edition includes in game items (glamours, minions, mounts) but it otherwise the same thing as complete (arr/base game + shadowbringers)
faint flare
Complete edition gives you everything you need for the game
Collector edition gives you sone bonus cosmetic stuff and mount
left moth
the 30 days game time applies to arr within complete edition
dry prairie
D;
left moth
one of the product images should show the extras
dry prairie
i see the cosmetics aspects is the difference
ty so much for the help o/
can i upgrade a free trial account into a standard one?
slate arrow
yes, by buying the Starter Edition
(or any version which includes a Starter Edition code)
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halcyon glen
I’d suggest the complete if you like the game
dry prairie
for example,. i will download the free trial version game, and just to see the graphics and stuff and if i my pc runs well, then i will get the complete edition, to change my "fre trial mode" and upgrade it to the edition i will buy i do that in the page or..
zinc kelp
yo whats up everyone! just hit level 80! is there some sort of a guide on what to do? this game is soooo overwhelming lol. Like what should my daily goal / weekly goals be? which tokens to farm etc
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!faq gearguide
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tl;Dr
430- job quest/amurot stuff
450- Eden 1-4 normal
480- Eden 5-8 normal (weekly locked)
480 is considered "savage raid ready"
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You can also skip to 480 with crafted gear off the Market Board
unique oasis
I don't recognize it
twilit arch
its an A rank
zinc kelp
crystarium i think
slate arrow
you can't get to 500 currently without raiding
unique oasis
it's an A rank?
faint flare
Its a A rank in the Lochs
twilit arch
yes
faint flare
Yes
unique oasis
weird, I don't recognize that part of the map
slate arrow
You'll be able to obtain the Crystarium Upgrades without raids in 5.3
unique oasis
I have to admit i didnt spent much time in the lochs though
zinc kelp
ohhhh i see
faint flare
The lochs is pretty bland outside ala mhigan side
zinc kelp
so right now my main goal is get to 480 to prepare for savage raids
slate arrow
yes
twilit arch
http://cablemonkey.us/huntmap2//The_Lochs_-_Luminare.jpg the northwest blue dot is where it is
slate arrow
also additional note: you can't upgrade the weapon until later in the patch
Since it's only the gear and accessories upgrades which are initially available
zinc kelp
i see. thanks man! but right now, best way for me to use my tomes is to exchange it for crystarium right?
slate arrow
use your allegory tomes for Crystarium yes
faint flare
Only thing you can use allegory on
zinc kelp
awesome! appreciate the answers guys
royal lichen
I want to get into pseudo-supports/buffers. I just unlocked dancer, my Bard is at 36, but I haven't unlockeds astrologian yet. Of the three, which is the best at supplies buffs for the entire or majority of the party? PS, i'm playing stormblood atm.
unique oasis
er
thats a complicated question
depends on definitions
but just play AST tbh
spare yourself the queues
faint flare
Bard has constant buffs for the party with songs but the effects are minor. Dancer has a permanent damage up buff on 1 person and occasionally crit/dh buff and party damage buff
Astro has cards they can dish out every 30s and a party damage buff every 3mins
royal lichen
Do Bards' songs make a difference?
unique oasis
yes?
they do what they say on the tooltip...
are you asking if the tooltip is a lie
warped nest
There is a difference
But it is not like "wow, everything is doubled"
Sort of difference
The dev sorta kinda know what they are doing (more than us anyway)
royal lichen
What I mean is, on a scale of 1 to 10, how big of a difference is a party with vs without a bard?
unique oasis
classes are well balanced
a party without a BRD makes up for the BRD in a reasonably equivalent way
royal lichen
And are bards and dancers two interchangable classes?
warped nest
The only bad way to make a party is to have duplicates
unique oasis
all the classes are technically interchangeable as long as you have fulfilled the right role arrangement
duplicates cost you limit break gain speed
remote lintel
there is no one class that's going to have such an effect on the party
warped nest
As unusual as this is, game is surprisingly balanced
leaden ginkgo
anyone got the music sheet for dearly beloved for bard?
unique oasis
apparently, from what i've heard, a ranged physical dps is a hard requirement for E8S though. I did not understand why but something to do with stunning?
I wonder whether it was just an exaggerated "soft" requirement
faint flare
It isnt a.hard requirement
royal lichen
...maybe I should stay a black mage and scholar main.
unique oasis
why?
faint flare
Its due to the fact one sidr has 2 earthen aethers that need to interrupted
unique oasis
what was the issue with our answers that makes you feel so bad about exploring new frontiers
and/or why are you seeking to change main?
give us more information please @royal lichen
faint flare
Either you interrupt with tank and range OR you burst one down quickly while tank interrupts the other
fringe lotus
Anyone know if it will go on sale once path 5.3 coems out and the trial is extended?
unique oasis
royal lichen
I main a scholar, but i'm afraid that my healing and damage mitigation might get my parties killed. SO maybe is I played a pseudo support, like bard or dancer, I can still help people, but not be the cause of a party wipe
pure flicker
i understand the axienty
unique oasis
in content that's actually difficult, any class or role can get the party wiped
royal lichen
i might not be able to heal or shield fast enough
leaden ginkgo
sorry if this has been asked before but me and a friend wanna know and we cant find a clear answer
faint flare
Thats just.part of learning the job and the fight
leaden ginkgo
heady flare
I think that just comes with play time and practice
unique oasis
take for example the fury's fourteen mechanic in Fulmination Savage: if any single player is not aligned with their spear and the tank fails to invuln and use the duty action, any single one of those players failing can wipe the entire raid
leaden ginkgo
wait nvm someone responded
unique oasis
you should get used to personal responsibility regardless of role, as it will apply at some point regardless of role as you explore further dificulties
but if you want to be fast consider AST
faint flare
Healing in this game is scripted out the ass (outside of baddies being hit by aoes)
unique oasis
I got sick of how slow SCH was and switched back to AST for a while
fringe lotus
Can I claim the version from the SE store on steam?
pure flicker
it's definitely stressful foursie. i havent done savage content myself but in my experience you just gotta practice and it'll become more comfortable as you play
unique oasis
I switched off AST when the cards were changed because I thought it was less fun, despite that I think it's healthier for the game.
faint flare
You cant
unique oasis
I still think it's less fun than it used to be, but i still prefer it's cast times over the other healers
remote lintel
healing is one of the easiest roles in the game imo
faint flare
Steam permanently locks you to it
unique oasis
I agree with @remote lintel but I might be biased as I healed for like 2 xpacs before experimenting with other roles
I'm OT in my static now and it's been just a few weeks so far
pure flicker
something else to help keep in mind is that you have a second healer who will also be healing the party and helping you out as well
remote lintel
i got a healer pretty late into my playtime
and now i main healer for savage
its really not that hard
i would practice healing using trials/raids that you know very well so that you can predict damage
unique oasis
@royal lichen so now what do you think? have we comforted your concerns at all?
fringe lotus
Wait so if I started a character on the steam version it wont go over to the Square Enix version?
faint flare
No
unique oasis
you can't even have the square enix store version
royal lichen
Yes you have, but I have another... more petty reason...
unique oasis
your account will be considered to already have a pc version of the game, so you can't even buy it on the same account @fringe lotus
faint flare
You would need a new account
fringe lotus
Oh... rip
unique oasis
why rip?
fringe lotus
Kinda lame but I get it
unique oasis
neither version is inferior
fringe lotus
No but I already grinded out a decent amount on the steam version
unique oasis
so stay on it then
fringe lotus
Yes, I will I just got excited cause I was about to buy the SE version cause it's on sale
faint flare
And they literally just had one
pure flicker
you can upgrade your collector's editions on the website and get them on the steam version too
faint flare
Like last month and abit
royal lichen
I want to stand out from the other Scions and characters in the MSQ, we have a pugilist, a thaumaturge, Alphinaud is technically a scholar, Alisaile is a paladin/red mage. Everytime I do a msq I stick out like a sore thumb...
unique oasis
?
fringe lotus
Don't understand the all caps rage I get it lol I was just askin questions m8
unique oasis
story characters change jobs too
it was actually a mistake
caps lock got hit and i typed the answer without looking caus eim fighting in game
remote lintel
y'shtola is a conjurer in ARR
twilit arch
alisaie isn't a paladin, just by the by
both alphinaud and she are arcanists at the start
unique oasis
some of them have unique job names
it's pretty cool since they dont fit the jobs so tightly anyway
its a nice touch
royal lichen
...
unique oasis
anyway if thats your line of thinking you;ll never be satisfied
royal lichen
that moment when four people are running up on the warriors of darkness with books.
Me, Alphinaud, Alisaile, and Urianger...
pure flicker
bro you can summon bahamut with that book though
remote lintel
well urianger changes jobs in SHB
unique oasis
alisaie before that too
pure flicker
i thought she was a blm
unique oasis
not until ShB
anyway like
there's very few classes that a main NPC isn't
at some point
remote lintel
be a tank
remote lintel
warrior isnt one of the scions tho
royal lichen
Moenbryda... and Thancred
unique oasis
i suspect that will matter to him eventually though as they're still central characters
unique oasis
basically you're telling yourself you cant play any classes
royal lichen
I finished Heavensward, i'm in Stormblood.
unique oasis
i think the better line of thinking would be anything you can do to assuage yourself from thinking that way because it's only going to give you mental distress if you care that much about it
unique oasis
there's 1 and maybe 2 prominent WAR npcs that have story ramifications, albeit not scions
royal lichen
Moenbryda will be alive in our hearts, as will Haurchefant
remote lintel
just pick whatever you want
unique oasis
^
pure flicker
lol you should probably tag these as spoilers in this chat
remote lintel
even if you play sch you'll have a fairy and no other npc will
royal lichen
big oofs, sorry
unique oasis
what classes the npcs played has never actually really mattered to a story beat, so nah
it's basically never been an actually relevant detail as far as i can remember
remote lintel
make your character stand out by being the prettiest one out of all of them
remote lintel
halcyon glen
i mean
faint flare
Its only relevant when they change and theres a scene to explain it
halcyon glen
my rdm equipment set is named alisaie <3
remote lintel
did they explain how it was relevant for thancred?
faint flare
Yes
remote lintel
when
faint flare
||He picked up the gunblade for defense, explained when meeting with Urianger||
twilit arch
||he picked up gunblade while in the garlemald provinces||
unique oasis
er...
faint flare
Yes dakax you'll get 3 if you craft it
lavish vortex
To go to a guild, let’s say the marauders guild, I have to teleport to the main plaza and then to the guild? That’s the fastest way?
remote lintel
ah ok
unique oasis
not to be a dick and im not gonna repeat the spoiler
but that barely actually mtaters to the story
halcyon glen
@lavish vortex yep
unique oasis
like it's a spoiler in the merest technical sense
royal lichen
I could be a machinist. Like the great gunners before us... Yuna, Mami Tomoe, and Homura Akemi...
unique oasis
nobody's going to be disappointed to find that out early and you already know he takes the job if you watch the opening cinematic
ionic hazel
does the regular eden gear and edenchoir have the same stat for the same pieces?
remote lintel
@ionic hazel no they have different ilvls
silent pike
@ionic hazel Edenchoir is the high end raid gear
twilit arch
if you want to stand out from the scions though in regards to jobs pretty much pick one of the expansion jobs except for gnb/rdm/ast for the most part
little swift
He wants tonknow if they give the same substats
little swift
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!item edenchoir helm of fending
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little swift
No they're different
remote lintel
ionic hazel
ah thanks
is it ok to have critical hit
for all your gear
looking to replace some neo gear that dont have critical hit with eden gear that has critical hit
little swift
If you've hit your sks/sps tier and can afford to swap
Its fine to
Especially if you haven't overmelded the neo-ish
Since 2 slots is always 2slots
unique oasis
i dont agree with channy's answer
ionic hazel
i mean like
unique oasis
the better response is
little swift
Besides if it was bis last tier
ionic hazel
building blocks
twilit arch
it doesn't really matter if you're not at max ilvl
unique oasis
cause not bis = variable where your gear is going to come from and what you'll have access to
ionic hazel
off to crit stacking we go
unique oasis
i disagree with kael too
i mean don't pull your hair out over it but like, what crystarium and what eden pieces you ge
can be optimized a bit
little swift
I mean ilvl does matter but don't go nuts
unique oasis
instead of spending randomly
twilit arch
if you're not doing savage, then whether you're in full neo-ishgardian or not it doesn't make or break anything
ionic hazel
i eventually plan to do savage
twilit arch
so there's no reason to make a low ilvl BiS list
little swift
Even if you are doing savage full neo-ish isnt a necessity
unique oasis
like what i posted is ilvl 488 so far from bis but i've still optimized for crit with what i have access to and i think it was worth it as i didnt go way out of my way to make it happen
faint flare
Overmelding
faint flare
You need to level crafters
ionic hazel
ah
unique oasis
it can only be done by crafters and can only be done to green crafted gear
twilit arch
you need a crafter at lvl80 to overmeld
twilit arch
or ask someone to overmeld for you
little swift
You can request a crafter to do it for you
unique oasis
so its basically only useful if you're raiding like the immediate week of raid release
it doesn't take long for access to blue gear of similar or higher ilvl to the crafted stuff to start becoming accessible
faint flare
And currently only neo ishgardian can be overmelded for combat gear
little swift
Honestly not melding at all ain't even the end of the world
unique oasis
maybe if the primary substat of the crafted piece of the same ilvl is crit, then it would be a better piece than a same ilvl blue item of crit cause you can have more of the next substat but i'd say that's the pulling out your hair to optimize non-bis gear thing that i advocated against
pure flicker
hello?
cursive niche
I love how this channel is blooming with activity. Could I get someone bored to 1v1 me in dms so I could ask some ultra beginner questions?
Dont wanna trash this with trash questions
plush hound
If it's an honest question it's not trash.
unique oasis
@ionic hazel i gave you an example in #kupo-bot-spam
sorry for the @ in there prematurely in case you werent sure what i was trying to tell you
viscid wraith
It cant be that bad either since I literally asked how to open a gate in gridania once
unique oasis
there's a bit of a write up with it too
stable herald
No
unique oasis
the next step is eden savage gear
ionic hazel
so theyre not really of use if u have neo gear
stable herald
You replace the gear
plush hound
unless you want it for glamour.
stable herald
^
unique oasis
or if it has crit and your crafted pieces don't
stable herald
The tank gear is gorgeous
plush hound
You're not trying then. 😛
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cursive niche
I heard that you're getting an update which reworks stuff and lets free players see more content (around 100hr + even some raiding). When is it coming? And should I just hop in right now? I'm kinda looking for a group (so the wait wouldn't be a problem) but also dont know where to look, would appreciate an advice. Also how important and difficult Healer and Tank roles are in this game? Sorry for the wall, I'm afraid I'd lose track of thought if I don't put it together
twilit arch
august 11 is when the trial and starter edition upgrades are happening
we're not completely sure if current trial users will receive the upgrade, but its likely they will
remote lintel
you can join a free company which are guilds
healing is one of the easiest roles in the game
tanks probably second easiest
pure flicker
tanks and healers are pretty important and they jave a big variety of rotation and playstyles
faint flare
Right
remote lintel
oh they can't?
shrewd owl
idk about healer tho havent played one yet
remote lintel
rip
faint flare
Tanking and healing is simple for the most part, the key part is learning how to use cooldowns effectively
cursive niche
Thanks! And ouch, I was hoping you'd say stuff like "it's hard playing healer like a boss" but if cd's are low and you can just faceroll it shouldn't be hard
shrewd owl
well ur still the one responsible for keeping the whole group alive 😎
plush hound
Most healing is prep work for fights (applying buffs and such) beyond that it's DPS until someone's dying then heal them.
remote lintel
^
remote lintel
also white mage is basically the baby's first healing class if you're that unsure of your healing skills
faint flare
So biggest part is learning the boss rotation
And remember what casts do
Which what everyone does
cursive niche
At what level can I join a guild? Like how much time would it take? Is the game a solo experience until I get to that point? Not that I'd have a problem with this
remote lintel
can join at lvl 1
faint flare
Any level
plush hound
To join an fc is any level
remote lintel
if you come to behemoth you can join mine ;)
cursive niche
Oh damn, then I really should just get in and bug people there lol
remote lintel
dungeons are all matchmaking
plush hound
And joining an FC is optional.
shrewd owl
people also tend to throw out FC invites at random people
so check those out if you want
stable herald
If you're on Mana, give me a holler. I'll try and help
cursive niche
What is FC?
faint flare
Guilds
cursive niche
How many people are max there?
remote lintel
not to be confused with grand company which are tied to the story
unique oasis
i notice that in general FCs are small in this game
little swift
512 i think is the number
cursive niche
Ty Aoi, I'll try to join it assuming it's a server
little swift
but i don't think it usually gets taht large
cursive niche
Makes sense, organizing 50 is already hard work I can imagine
But yeah, it's helpful, now I understand what's normal, TY!
fringe lotus
If I started the trial on my steam account and then decided to buy the SE complete edition do I not get the included 30 day game time?
faint flare
You wouldn't br able to use it
cursive niche
I dont think you can start it on Steam
faint flare
Once you touch steam you cant go back
fringe lotus
So I just have to make new account?
faint flare
Yes
leaden ginkgo
if i have a house on aether can i buy one on primal?
unique oasis
once the account is made in steam or in S-E store, it belongs to one or the other permanently in terms of product activations
faint flare
If its a new character yes
unique oasis
@leaden ginkgo like with a different character? of course
faint flare
1 house per character
cursive niche
You have to log on from site and connect it to steam somehow?
fringe lotus
ight thats not an issue since I would be making a new account anyway, sorry for so many questions im totally new to this game and mmo's in general
remote lintel
@cursive niche you download the launcher on steam
plush hound
Well, ranks are based on activity, not count. Many larger FC's have a lot of people in limbo waiting for 5.3
leaden ginkgo
ok ty because once i tried buying a house but on the same server on another character and it didnt let me
remote lintel
and it links your account
flint thistle
Starting game up again what are some of the better servers to join
faint flare
Server choice doesn't matter
vocal crown
Has anyone here have any experience with Eureka Pyros? I have a question about Logograms
faint flare
Data centre does
unique oasis
uhhh
faint flare
What about logos
flint thistle
I’m US
plush hound
When you buy a copy/expansion on Steam, you're given your product code that you enter into mogstation. Then your game account is linked to the Steam copy. From that point on you have to run it from Steam which runs the launcher that downloads the game/login to the game.
unique oasis
server choice matters if you want to join a fre ecompany on that server specifically
like if your friends all have a FC on say, sargatanas
faint flare
Then go any server on Aether, to primal or crystal
unique oasis
then try to get on sargatanas
flint thistle
What a RP
faint flare
Roleplay
flint thistle
Ah
vocal crown
This may be a weird question but is there any way I can use two logos to create something to use for another?
I need Eagle Eye Shot to create Wisdom of the Fiendhunter but I have had no luck in getting it.
vocal crown
Damn. Oh well I guess I gotta get it raw. I wish they weren't so expensive but I get why
faint flare
When you level up in pyros and hydasos you get a fair amount of logosgrams
So dont worry too much
vocal crown
I have been leveling up but have gotten like two types lol
cursive niche
I'm looking for rare and important role, preferably a hard one. Maybe I you could link me to a FAQ which answers this question? Maybe there's a boring buff or dispel machine which isn't a healer?
faint flare
There's more types higher up
unique oasis
3 steps: logogram becomes mneme and mnemes make logos actions
oak ice
I was 50 and had only gotten a handful of tactical and inimical 
unique oasis
you cannot use a logos action to create another logos action
so you can only use mnemes to make logos actions
vocal crown
Yeah that's a shame
faint flare
Buffing/debuffing isn't much of the thing but Astrologian might be good
vocal crown
Can't wait to be done with logo hunting
remote lintel
@cursive niche no roles are rare
pure flicker
there isn't really a rare role. most classes are played at high levels and are all pretty competitive in their own way
faint flare
Active healer, busy and tosses out cards to buff others
cursive niche
Oh, that's really good, means you have nice balance and all classes are fun
unique oasis
hmm
faint flare
When you're capped in pyros and hydasos you'll get a good amount of logos from.just farming mobs to spawn fates
unique oasis
i would say machinist is a bit rare
i don't see them that often
also black mage is a bit rare
pure flicker
you wont be able to play astrologian until you get to ishgard anyway, which is past the base game
unique oasis
i dont think either of them are bad or anything and i'm talking pretty marginally
pure flicker
most people think monks are wild to play at 80
unique oasis
if anything it might just be that they're a little tough
faint flare
All classes are pretty well balanced, save for some minor nitpicks
remote lintel
for a "hard" class you could be summoner which has a 2 minute long rotation or black mage which has a pretty high skill ceiling since its a turret caster
plush hound
You'll get people complaining about how "Job A is better than Job B" but for the average player the differences are minor. The fact that you're not locked into your Job also helps.
cursive niche
I'll look into machinist and bm, which do you think is more cool?
faint flare
Its robots and guns vs EXPLOSIONS
pure flicker
machnist can summon a mech at 80
jade quartz
Machinist is ping-reliant
cursive niche
Yea, I don't care about how good a role is but I want it to be difficult with a payoff
little swift
machinist does have a tight hypercharge/wildfire window thats not pleasant to do if you have garbage ping
remote lintel
black mage is more difficult than machinist i'd say
jade quartz
If your ping time is above say 120ms then you’re not going to be able to compete as well
cursive niche
Machinist is ping-reliant
Now this is interesting
faint flare
Black mages has big numbers but needs to leaen the fight to know where to position as its more of a turret
pure flicker
the melee classes get pretty intense because you have to manage your positioning
plush hound
Well SMN would probably be your choice. There's a pretty big gap between average play and good play.
faint flare
^
jade quartz
It’s due to the high number of oGCDs that have to be fit into the overheat window
unique oasis
i had this black mage in a CLEAR party of all things parse a 99 on E5S a couple weeks ago
it was pretty hilarious
faint flare
Optimising smn is cbt
cursive niche
SMN is summoner?
unique oasis
they had like 97% uptime
faint flare
Yes
jade quartz
Without clipping your GCD enough to lose a heat shot use
faint flare
Also get bahamut and phoenix as summons so dope
plush hound
A good SMN player is death on the battlefield but you have to really know your stuff.
cursive niche
@pure flicker I guess so, but I don't wanna be a rogue which dies in start of the raid, and there's probably enough tanks
leaden ginkgo
Hey! Im kinda new to the game Im currently lvl 19 and lvl 16 in the MSQ. I really wanna unlock glamour but I read that I need to do a lvl 20 MSQ mission or smth to unlock a location where there is gonna be a npc that is gonna give me the dye quest and glamour quest. I just wanted to know the exact lvl of the MSQ quest and name
jade quartz
!faq glamour
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unique oasis
@cursive niche actually while there is some degree of variation between armor class it's extremely subtle and hardly enough to make you drop dead more often than other dps players to regular damage sources
usually you're gonna die cause you stood in the wrong spot and its gonna kill you no matter what you play if you're not a tank
remote lintel
positionals aren't hard either
cursive niche
Monk, Dragoon and Samurai, which is the LAMEST in playerbase' opinion?
jade quartz
Monk
unique oasis
hang on
leaden ginkgo
@jade quartz that didn't answer my question lol
cursive niche
Nice. So it's Monk vs Machinist
jade quartz
But that’s because of current playstyle problems which people dislike
unique oasis
cause there's 2 interpretations
some people would use lame to say broken
others would use it for not very fun
faint flare
Monk is getting reworked in 5.4 to a extent so
unique oasis
which are you asking, first off
jade quartz
@leaden ginkgo the information you requested is in the first paragraph of that faq
Please reread it
unique oasis
we need the intent of your question before the answers make sense
cursive niche
I mean not fun
remote lintel
monk
unique oasis
thats how you were understood then,
twilit arch
the glamour quest doesn't have a specific msq requirement
unique oasis
people find aspects of monk a little frustrating at the moment
but its getting a rework next patch so it remains to be seen if that's gonna get better
plush hound
@leaden ginkgo There is no precursor for it. You just have to get to Vesper Bay which can be done by taking a boat from Limsa
little swift
or if you started in uldah
twilit arch
it just requires you to be able to go to thanalan, which if your msq is lvl 16 then you already have airship acess
faint flare
Or running from uldah
cursive niche
Oh, is it major or just buffs?
leaden ginkgo
Oof my friend said I need a certain MSQ requirement
little swift
horizon is your closest aetheryte
faint flare
Its a rework to their core gameplay
leaden ginkgo
Like lvl 20 or more
little swift
nah theoretically you could do it as soon as you leave the city
leaden ginkgo
Oh well
faint flare
Of greased lightning
leaden ginkgo
Thanks
faint flare
No
little swift
speeD? no
leaden ginkgo
I was wondering - does anyone know the fastest solo way to get the tanks mounts? A life hack would be appreciated ^^
unique oasis
@cursive niche it's gonna be more of a change to how the skills interact a bit. i think it has to do with its greased lightning positive self buff that is part of how it functions, but we dont know the details
faint flare
Quick synth is guaranteed if you meet the minimum stat
unique oasis
something about it is unsatisfactory to play or maintain so they're gonna fix that
unfortunately I don't play MNK so i dont know the details :(
of what's wrong i mean
plush hound
@leaden ginkgo If you can do the run you can also do it from Ul'dah.
unique oasis
we dont know at all what the change is yet
twilit arch
@leaden ginkgo garuda ex for the non armoured version
faint flare
The receipe tells you
twilit arch
or any of the ARR ex primals that you can kill quickly
cursive niche
Maybe it's good because there won't be any guides and it would make sense to invent a wheel. Sounds cool
So probably monk! Thank you very much
leaden ginkgo
@leaden ginkgo garuda ex for the non armoured version
@twilit arch Omg that counts? thank you! ♥
twilit arch
ya
unique oasis
@cursive niche when are you starting?
you sound like you're used to mmo endgames and probably want to get into raiding and stuff right?
cursive niche
Probably would download and try to play now, I got excited now xd
Yeah, would be cool. I thought that I should look for group since many people would also try to start with that f2p trial extension
unique oasis
i see
plush hound
Bear in mind, the combat in 14 is slower than say WoW, and at early levels it's really noticeable.
unique oasis
is it actually slower or is it just that the slower gcd makes it seem slower while you don't have all your tools yet
twilit arch
its actually slower
unique oasis
i've never played wow
cursive niche
I don't mind, in fact I always get hyped when I see ff14 raids
twilit arch
wow's gcd is 1.5
unique oasis
yeah i know
cursive niche
I dont care about cooldowns
unique oasis
but that doesn't strictly mean the game is faster just cause the gcd is faster
cursive niche
And didn't play WoW
unique oasis
for example, if we weave more ogcds than they do in wow, then wouldn't it end up being equal
twilit arch
No
unique oasis
gcd isn't a measure of like, apm, or like, the speed of mechanics, etc
twilit arch
i have played both, and wow's combat is in general much faster
even though the 2.5s gcd isn't that noticeable at higher levels with more ogcds to weave, for someone who's coming from wow
its quite noticeable difference at lower levels
cursive niche
Imo it wouldn't matter, you still always will make mistakes right? As long as good players can excel it doesnt matter
twilit arch
yeah
unique oasis
tbh i don't even believe him
i think gcd does not necessarily correlate to the perceived speed of the game and we're not really getting a very 'scientific' (for lack of a better word) analysis
i really don't like wow comparisons though, wow lives rent-free in the heads of everyone who ever played it, like they can't be happy with anything else in the genre ever again so...
it's a boring subject at the end of the day anyway
twilit arch
and its not really that important
but the fact is that if someone's coming from a game with lower gcd, the 2.5s gcd is going to feel slower
especially at low levels
plush hound
I only brought it up because at low levels combat can feel boring because of it's comparatively slow pace.
remote lintel
if you enjoy the story it's not really that big of a deal but yes
plush hound
^
remote lintel
i didn't really have a problem with it because i like dthe msq
scarlet arrow
low-level lancer is possibly the most boring class in the game
twilit arch
its a fair thing to note for people
cursive niche
I don't think this is the game where people should be concerned with boredom, for me it's always a meditative experience until it gets actually hard
twilit arch
different strokes for different folks, if its not something that is a turn off or a bother for you
that's fine
remote lintel
then you'll enjoy this game
unique oasis
this game has tons of stuff to do, too
its kind of insane
people who complain about content droughts either are pouring their entire lives into the game, or are just not into side content, like people who are exclusively raiders
ionic hazel
where can i exchange my bought mog stuff for the opposite gender version of it
plush hound
Calamity salvager iirc. Ine of the options is for gender swap
twilit arch
not all items can be swapped
cursive niche
I saw something here about RP server. I have no idea how could this be, people actually commit as majority in the server? Social game is that strong? Im a big fan of sitting in chat for several hours
unique oasis
it means roleplay
remote lintel
not majority
unique oasis
pretending to be your character or w/e
it's very common on the servers Balmung and Mateus, on the Crystal datacenter
remote lintel
it's usually condensed to one or 2 worlds
unique oasis
also the Crystal datacenter has fewer raiders overall it seems, with a recent person's work showing far fewer clears on crystal than aether or primal
if you're very serious about raiding you may be unhappy on crystal
or you might be just fine, there are raiders here if you find them
or, frankly, putting together a whole group of people new to raiding is healthy too because you can all grow together