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#questions-and-help
kind eagle
vagrant copper
free GC seals though so... 
kind eagle
obsidian patio
Extreme
There's your problem; people rarely ever queue for the extreme and minstrel ballad fights since they're hard fights with actual mechanics to care about.
If you just want it done quickly, you can try setting up a listing in the party finder and doing it with the undersize setting enabled in the duty finder settings, which lets you ignore a duty's level sync and enters you in with your current party.
kind eagle
oh
zinc orbitBOT
molten spruce
is goring blade used like disembowel?
daring turret
Is there a way to increment the bonuses in armors?
slate crow
Is there a quicker way to get rid of stuff than discarding stuff one by one?
jade quartz
@molten spruce um kind of? It’s a DoT which you should re-up as it falls off, which means after every second Royal Authority combo
molten spruce
gotcha
jade quartz
Explore the zone and locate the six hostages, they’re not hidden away or anything
kind eagle
i failed twice
obsidian patio
@daring turret only specific armor pieces can be upgraded, mainly the ones that are bought with allagan Tomestones.
jade quartz
Try watching a video of the quest then I guess
obsidian patio
kind eagle
omg
light lintel
Hey guys. I just saw a video of a guy that claims to be rank 1 as a tank. It was a good video ofc but I wondered how do you know you're ranked number one?
static yacht
Fflogs
light lintel
Is there like a site that shows an overview of your rank status or something?
All I see in fflogs are bosses. And if I press the highest cleared I don't see his name so Im like... Hmmmm okay?
static yacht
Its a websote that shows you your dps logs like a leader board
light lintel
Unless I missed something
round crag
Look up his name on fflogs
static yacht
Either way logs and rankings are always changing
light lintel
I see
static yacht
Looks like that video was 2 months ago
Rankings will fluxuate based on how much you want to fish for crit rng
Just getting a 99% is good enough tbh, and I'd more sooner take his advice than purple parsers
light lintel
Yeah I just wondered if there was a general list or something that shows this
I mean he could have score of 99 but I'm sure there are others too
So I just wondered how he could say he's ranked 1. I want to find a rank 1 samurai too haha
warped nest
This is measured by, correct me if I am wrong, the damage they do
warped nest
However, I am not sure if the ranking accounts for buffs from your party member or just your own damage output
static yacht
robust quiver
Is there a reason why crafting recipes from Master books don't show as complete when crafted?
light lintel
Thank you
warped nest
Another thing I would like to point out is, the advices and best practice are known by all, there is no "hidden tech only the pro know"
What set them apart from the rest of us are practice and execution
Is there a reason why crafting recipes from Master books don't show as complete when crafted?
@robust quiver just because
robust quiver
It's really confusing when I'm crafting orchestrion rolls :P
zinc orbitBOT
daring turret
Thanks @obsidian patio
leaden ginkgo
is it important to unlock and complete hw and sb alliance raid before starting shb? any locked content?
acoustic island
does high control increase hq chance on quick synth?
obsidian patio
from what I can tell, no.
or at least it won't ever make it 100%
because when I quick-synth level 10 stuff as a level 80 goldsmith the general odds of HQ feel around 25%
oak ice
It might, but the chance is probably capped
gloomy mortar
Why does level 7 gathering materia have +12 and level 6 has +15 ?
frank ridge
You can't meld 6 or 8 past the third slot
obsidian patio
more accurately, grade 6 and 8 can only fit in the visible slots and the first overmeld slot
gritty oracle
Is it a bad idea to queue for things as healer while barely meeting ilvl req?
obsidian patio
Nah, unless your weapon is like, horribly below the minimum due to other pieces carrying your average
Just don't be afraid to tell the tank that your gear might not be good enough for big pulls
zinc orbitBOT
vocal shell
Can you use double hook to get two collectable fish?
obsidian patio
Assuming it's just like MIN/BTN to where their yield increasing actions don't work for collectables, then no.
vocal shell
okok, thx
fallen vigil
hi I just got FFXIV with my 2 friends
What's the best team comp for 3 people?
We're deciding roles right now and we're not sure what to do
I mean we would love to play 3 dps but I feel like that's pretty stupid
polar hound
Tank+heal+dps will be the only way you'll be able to run dungeons together feasibly and timely.. at most, 2 dps and one of the other.
forest laurel
dungeons have tank, healer and 2 dps
polar hound
You will be matched with a 4th
It is ok yes, just can't do 3 dps if you want to actually run dungeons with them
fallen vigil
is it better to have 2 dps and 1 healer or 2 dps and 1 tank
polar hound
Whichever tbh.. heal/tank are always in demand in mmos
oak ice
All of them, conjurer is the only starting healer
polar hound
Cnj is the only starting healer, turning into whm
fallen vigil
should i go for white mage?
leaden ginkgo
I am a new player. I just unlocked my chocobo mount. But it seems relatively slow. Is there a way to boost its speed?
fallen vigil
the class looks basic
enough
at least to my understanding since everything makes like 0 sense lol
forest laurel
WHM is very simple yeah
polar hound
Its nice and feels nice imo ..easiest healer to grasp outta the bag
oak ice
White mage is very basic
obsidian patio
@leaden ginkgo completing story quests boosts your mount speed for each zone as the story is done with them in terms of the leveling story.
obsidian patio
The expansion zones (along with base game zones once 5.3 hits) have flying you can unlock which is very fast
fallen vigil
Like I have next to 0 experience with mmo rpgs
I guess which class is more risk and reward based?
polar hound
Theyre a shield type healer/barrier...they take a bit more to understand as you want to mitigate damage..which means knowing when that damage is coming..i.e. learning the fights, all fights are scripted
leaden ginkgo
@obsidian patio ah so just continue the main quest ty. And I guess I'll be back once I reach flying mounts. Hehe. This game has a lot of mechanic it can be a little overwhelming but great fun
fallen vigil
Ohh
polar hound
Whm is nice because they have highest potency heals..big heals without much effort
fallen vigil
isn't that boring tho?
polar hound
Can be...they also do the most damage of the healers. Healers in ffxiv are expected to dps and heal
fallen vigil
I don't know how any of this works and I'm just assuming that you just click a few buttons and your teammate gets a massive amount of health back
polar hound
Er..most personal damage anyway
fallen vigil
which one keeps you on edge more
polar hound
Personally, astro..they just have sooo much to manage and without fight knowledge it can get iffy til then
obsidian patio
did you make sure to have the weapon equipped when you turned it in?
fallen vigil
oh I searched online and I heard that astro was pretty darn hard
last brook
omg nevermind, I figured it out. I'm not bright.
polar hound
Its just a lot of risk vs minimal reward..they hit like wet noodles but buff everyone and have strong heals that need a primer time..like...place a star, in 10s that star does more heal etc.. needs fight knowledge to optimize
proud willow
any class is easy in a vacuum; the challenge comes from being able do everything like second nature so that you can devote more attention to watching what's happening in the fight
polar hound
Whm is more reactive, would help get you used to healing at first...the dps is realllly basic for healers tho
fallen vigil
can I change classes later on?
obsidian patio
You can change classes as soon as you complete the level 10 class quest for your starting class.
fallen vigil
so I can change from white mage to astrologian?
oak ice
Yes
obsidian patio
nope
oak ice
But Astrologian requires you to reach Heavensward to unlock
fallen vigil
wah
proud willow
you'll keep your old White Mage levels
oak ice
Class changing works literally by changing weapon and voila
proud willow
you can switch back and forth freely between any number of classes, but they all level up separately
fallen vigil
ohh
wow okay that's actually great
hopefully I'll get the hang of the game soo
soon
it looks really overwhelming but also very interesting
thank god I don't have to stick to healer if I decide to choose it
polar hound
Goodluck.. a tip, please make sure to do your job quests when they popup. Also hall of the novice will net you a nice set of starter gear and a nice ring with exp boost til 30, usable on any job thereafter too.
polar hound
Job quests will net abilties, gear at certain levels, and of course your soul stone to go from class>job (conjurer>white mage) at lvl 30 etc.
fallen vigil
okai
pine hamlet
If i log into my SE account after a three year break and find that my main character is gone, but my level 3 mule is still there.. what happened? XD
forest laurel
SE doesn't delete inactive characters afaik, otherwise my Leviathan character from 2018 would be long gone
forest laurel
just ask around town
or look around in #recruitment-aether
you can only join an FC that's in your server btw
acoustic lichen
Yeah it’s proving hard to find
pine hamlet
Is there a way on your SE account to check if a character has been deleted or?
zinc orbitBOT
wintry chasm
If you log into Mogstation and go to the home page it'd have a list of characters you got @pine hamlet
Not sure how long it'd take to be updated if you just deleted a character if it even takes a bit but it wouldn't show up there anymore
tidal yarrow
to level fast a charachter can't I do a msq that gives me like 200k exp with like a lvl70 class and then accept the reward by switching to that class I wanna level up?
wintry chasm
No
warped nest
You can only finish quests with jobs at the right level
wintry chasm
You can't turn in quests on a job below the level requirement
tidal yarrow
ahh oke
half kraken
Does shb have any optional trials like the warring triad in HW and the animals from SB?
pine hamlet
@wintry chasm When i do that all i can see is my level 3 mule =)
But I found out because of the EU server split they might have sent my accounts two characters to different servers... (Just so i have to pay for another world transfer im guessing 😛 )
warped nest
Yes, Squall
half kraken
Which quest starts it?
warped nest
Good question, I don't know XD
wintry chasm
@wintry chasm When i do that all i can see is my level 3 mule =)
But I found out because of the EU server split they might have sent my accounts two characters to different servers... (Just so i have to pay for another world transfer im guessing 😛 )
If you can only see Mule sounds like you deleted the other one?
pine hamlet
Yea im worried it might be deleted, BUT i didnt delete it when i left in 2017
acoustic lichen
For levelling, am I better doing msq or spamming dungeons
pine hamlet
And i also payed a sub now so i can install 14 to log into the game and see
wintry chasm
Can you screenshot what you're looking at just in case?
proud willow
Old Enemies, New Threats is the MSQ you need to do before you can move on to the ShB optional trials
wintry chasm
For levelling, am I better doing msq or spamming dungeons
Pretty much everything is locked behind MSQ so might as well do that but you can do roulettes and stuff too
acoustic lichen
How far does the msq go
proud willow
and then the 
to start unlocking it is Ruby Doomsday
acoustic lichen
Level wise
wintry chasm
To cap
obsidian wren
Msq goes all the way through the game
wintry chasm
^
obsidian wren
Its the main thread of the game
acoustic lichen
So you have to do it all the way to 80
wintry chasm
Yes
acoustic lichen
I much prefer dungeons
wintry chasm
Story based game
obsidian wren
Yeah, every expansion story is also a continuation of the msq
wintry chasm
cough Final Fantasy game first
half kraken
Thank you @proud willow
acoustic lichen
I kinda just wnna get to end game dungeons etc
pine hamlet
@wintry chasm Sent a mogstation screenshot 😛
obsidian wren
Could buy a story and levelskip potion on the mog station if you really wanna skip ahead
Just try getting used to your class rotation and gameplay before jumping into higher leveled dungeons 👀
mighty dagger
Anyone know what this small blue orb is/does ?
wintry chasm
Theres probably 3-6 hours of cutscenes alone
lol no
More
Especially depending on how you define a cutscene
wintry chasm
Still way more than 6 hours
obsidian wren
But yeah, 7 years worth of story pmuch
wintry chasm
Looking up YouTube videos it looks more like 24 and a half hours?
Not sure if all of that counts every patch
Yeah actually no patch stuff except ARR 8-man raid so add...idk 4 more hours onto that
acoustic lichen
Jesus
Also when the cutscenes take place all the dialogue is muted
So their a bit anti climatic
wintry chasm
Not all cutscenes are voiced
acoustic lichen
I’m very happy to learn my rotations at end game
wintry chasm
What I counted was only voiced cutscenes
wintry chasm
Yeah they give you some decent gear for what level you skip to
acoustic lichen
BecUse I can just get an alt and do the msq on the side
stark delta
Is there a cheap way to level uo crafti g skills?
wintry chasm
Only thing you'll really miss apart from any semblance of a plot is the free fantasia for completing the base game story
lofty pulsar
Does HQ increase collectability for ishgard rest?
wintry chasm
Etc etc
warped nest
The fantasia is given as a quest reward
Seeing that skipping just mark all the corresponding quests complete and don't collect the reward...
lofty pulsar
i meant like if I use a HQ mats, does it increase collectability?
warped nest
Yes
wintry chasm
Is there a cheap way to level uo crafti g skills?
You mean crafting classes? Ishgard restoration would be your friend if you are some ways into HW MSQ
warped nest
Collectible rating are based on the quality you imbued into the craft
acoustic lichen
So if I skip would I not be hella poor
warped nest
10 point in quality = 1 point in Collectible
acoustic lichen
I’m everything but gear
wintry chasm
You get some gil
warped nest
Skip potion give you some gil
acoustic lichen
But no other mats
wintry chasm
If you MSQ AND level skip you'd get 600k gil
Not nearly as much as you'd get doing main story but it's something
acoustic lichen
How much is the skip
wintry chasm
Uhhh
Look on mogstation for your currency
I assume you use dollars so I'm not sure
acoustic lichen
Pounds
wintry chasm
Oh
£18.50 for the MSQ boost to the start of Shadowbringers and another £18.50 for the level 70 skip
If you get those then you just need to do Shadowbringers main story to get to endgame
wintry chasm
Yeah basically
acoustic lichen
And how long is it to work through shadow bringers
wintry chasm
Ummm
Idk, a week pretty comfortably, less depending on how much time you actually have
tidal yarrow
I found a huge monster and it was 10 lvl above all the others in the area. it also had a symbol on its name
wintry chasm
That's a hunt mob
tidal yarrow
it was so hard to kill I had to ask a friend, but it had no special reward. what was it?
wintry chasm
Hunt mobs can show up and there are different ranks of them. It probably have you no reward because it was either a B-rank and you didn't have the bill for it or something
tidal yarrow
bill? :o
half kraken
So what's the use of the expert and level 80 dungeon roulette? Just the tomestones?
wintry chasm
Yeah at 50 you can unlock hunts and take bills which have mobs to kill and you get rewards for it Yuuko
Pretty much Squall
tidal yarrow
oh wow, I should give it a try
wintry chasm
I should mention hunts are also things in the expansions at 60, 70, 80
tidal yarrow
I'm lvl 70 so I should be able to have some variety
I also never did the grand company hunts now that I think of it
wintry chasm
You need to unlock them in order so better unlock it
zinc orbitBOT
fallen vigil
I just got in game where can I find the fall of novices?
I searched on google but it doesn't show on my map
simple shore
That isnt until later
simple shore
level 15 MSQ
roughly
You unlock it right before you unlock your first dungeon
and the game directs you there, so you wont miss it
fallen vigil
I seeeeee
wintry chasm
Yeah if you pay attention to the dialogue in the game they do recommend going there before the first dungeon
icon on the map
tidal yarrow
if I'm on a dialogue cutscene and I go afk it won't keep going right?
cause I've to click to proceed to next dialogue
oak ice
Not unless you set it to do so
tidal yarrow
nice
opal bough
the gane demolish apartments like they do with houses?
simple shore
Nope
opal bough
Thx
bleak crane
I cant find Forest Funguars, where are they?
twilit arch
they're in central shroud, should be like be close to the gate leading to gridania
barren flax
can you join Eden savages after you've cleared them
to help others?
my friend seems to be getting this message:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/594315624176680961/734387349726691388/unknown.png
raw solstice
You can, but it means that the party won't get two chests upon completion. If party lead tries to queue for "Duty Completion" that message will occur since Duty Completion ensures two chest clear (i.e. nobody has cleared for the week). They'll need to queue as "Practice" for the queue to go through
tidal yarrow
if I'm on a dialogue cutscene and I go afk it won't keep going right?
came back and my mission failed for apparently time out
you live you learn :x
twilit arch
if you're in a cutscene after a solo duty
you've got a timer running, so yeah
don't afk after solo duties
tidal yarrow
it was during the solo duty yeah
twilit arch
cos you're technically still in the instance, even though you're in a cutscene
tidal yarrow
unlucky, gotta do it all over again
atleast I can speedrun it on very easy now I think
acoustic lichen
Im pretty much convinced about skipping the story
And will buy the skip
Where is recommended to skip to
60? And end of hw!?
forest laurel
if it's your first character then dont skip honestly
tidal yarrow
I'd skip arr, not sure why arr exists
forest laurel
only skip if you're doing it on an alt or you genuinely dont give a shit about the story.
arr is worldbuilding
if you do skip arr then at least watch the cutscenes in the inn
mossy tartan
If you skip arr then suddenly get interested in the story, Heavensward will be very awkward
forest laurel
yeah
acoustic lichen
I do care about the story
forest laurel
then don't skip.
mossy tartan
Then you will appreciate ARR : D
acoustic lichen
And ngl this is rinse and repeat questing
mossy tartan
Questing is an essential part of the game for the most part
But the cutscenes are rewarding
acoustic lichen
The standard fetch x talk to y is boring as hell
forest laurel
well tbf the devs had only 2-3 years to remake the game.
mossy tartan
Well, if you really don’t like the questing part, maybe skip ARR and Heavensward to get to most of the action, then watch the story elsewhere (YouTube, inn, etc )
If you’re a DPS main, you can watch a specific story arc while queuing for a duty
acoustic lichen
I like gameplay questing where it’s relatively challenging
I’m 12 hours in and not once has that been the case
mossy tartan
You will love stormblood then
acoustic lichen
I main tank 🙂
mossy tartan
Lots of exploration
Tank? you will have I think the fastest queue times. Not sure who’s faster between healer and tank
fast kernel
Healer
forest laurel
healer tbh
acoustic lichen
Exploration like running around gathering talking to random NPcs is not fun
mossy tartan
There are more tank players than healers? : o
fast kernel
by far
acoustic lichen
So skip past arr
fast kernel
But its more of a case of there's so few healers rn
acoustic lichen
And also skip hw?
forest laurel
why would you ever skip heavensward
mossy tartan
Well, Heavensward is heavy story wise, so expect absorbing lots of stuff
forest laurel
yeah well they said they like a good story tho
acoustic lichen
Yeah I don’t mind story if it’s actually challenging
mossy tartan
But it’s very beautiful
forest laurel
define "vanilla questing"
fast kernel
Story content and Duty battles are never really challenging
forest laurel
yeah
fast kernel
Thats just how SE made it
acoustic lichen
Talk to x gather glowing object and give to y
forest laurel
the only really challenging content is extremes, savages and ultimates.
acoustic lichen
That is flat out dull
forest laurel
so if you want a difficult story you won't find one here
fast kernel
housing-savage is also really hard
acoustic lichen
Doesn’t have to be difficult
But I’d rather spend my time not going through the motions
And enjoy the game
All the questing I’ve done so far has been rather bland
fast kernel
ARR is boring for the most part
i agree
Stuff doesn't get exciting till maybe 2/3 through Post ARR
where are you in the story now @acoustic lichen ?
Theres always gonna be fetch quests in an MMORPG
The amount decreases after ARR though
simple shore
End of the day, fact is that MSQ is mandatory and all the good shit that's actually engaging is locked behind it.
acoustic lichen
Yeah I get that and that’s fine
fast kernel
You can skip if you want
acoustic lichen
I’m level 32 or smth
fast kernel
but that does dampen the experience slightly
acoustic lichen
Just doing arr msq
I like these games for the coop team play theory crafting and challenging content
I don’t play them for questing
fast kernel
I'd recommend to not skip and power through it anyway
But if you do want to skip
Skip ARR and watch the cutscenes while eating or something
then start question from ARR onwards
Its actually somewhat engaging
acoustic lichen
Ok I will do that
I mean what do I miss by not doing arr
Besides ofcourse the story
fast kernel
not much if you watch the cutscenes tbh
acoustic lichen
Which I am happy to watch or read up on
fast kernel
You don't really lose anything by skipping except the money you spent on it
acoustic lichen
I haven’t boosted before which boost do I purchase ?
agile laurel
acoustic lichen
And do I also need a lvl boost?
fast kernel
oh right
story skip doesn't magically level you up
hrmmm
Maybe do the MSQ till end of ARR
then skip?
Sure you get less value since you skip less
but at least you'll still get MSQ exp
I hate doing the ARR dungeons
They suck ass
acoustic lichen
I think if you skip you still get xp?
fast kernel
nope
obsidian wren
not for story
acoustic lichen
Annoying
fast kernel
it is what it is
acoustic lichen
So I can’t skip arr
fast kernel
you can skip post ARR
acoustic lichen
As I’m too low level for the next patch
fast kernel
which is where most of the shittyness is anyway
fast kernel
There was a 2 year period inbetween ARR and HW?
acoustic lichen
/base game
fast kernel
ah
let me explain
yes ARR is the main game
which is 2.0
we also have post ARR content which is the stuff inbetween expansions
usually done over a 2 year period
this is patch 2.1-2.55
The MSQ skip allows you to skip 2.0 to 2.55
MSQ exp is good up till the end of 2.0
HW is 3.0
3.1-3.56 is post HW
You get it?
acoustic lichen
2.1 - 3.0
fast kernel
yes
acoustic lichen
So I gotta play out arr
fast kernel
yeah
acoustic lichen
Hmmm if I’m not wrong hw is level 60 ish
fast kernel
50
zinc orbitBOT
fast kernel
depending on how fast you go through MSQ
If you do a few quests a day and roulletes you don't really have to grind much
If you tried to finish ARR-SHB in 2 weeks like i did, you'll have to do a bit of exp grinding
mainly doing roulletes and level appropriate dungeons
acoustic lichen
2 weeks of play so like 50 hours
acoustic lichen
Ah I see but I can’t skip it as I’m not level 50
Is there not a level boost too?
fast kernel
There is a level boost
But its straight to 70
Not sure if you want to instantly be overloaded with abilities with your first class
It isn't too bad once its your 2nd or 3rd class especially if its the same role
also you can MSQ skip before 50 definetly
its just that you'll also need to buy a level skip with it
acoustic lichen
But if I do the story to ski arr will I not be able to do the hw msq?
As I’m only level 22
fast kernel
samurai is its own thing
doesn't matter what you start with
You can only become a samurai once one of your classes is at least 50
fallen vigil
got it
acoustic lichen
Ok so I can just skip arr and run dungeons or grind to 50 to then pick up hw msq
fast kernel
something like that yeah
vivid wolf
You need to finish arr msq first
Cant do HW msq without those
Tell your friend to take his time with samurai tho
Plenty of horrible Sam players
twilit arch
sam doesn't have msq requirement
fast kernel
Not a MSQ req, only a level req
vivid wolf
Braindead but also floortank
acoustic lichen
I was going to skip msq to then do hw
vivid wolf
A bad Sam player is worse than any other bad job
simple shore
I would argue a bad SAM is worst because they contribute nothing to the rest of the group.
Even a bad ninja puts up vuln
wintry chasm
I was going to skip msq to then do hw
I'm not sure you want to. You said you didn't mind story if it was challenging? @acoustic lichen
wintry chasm
But why?
fast kernel
and watch the cutscenes
vivid wolf
Sams that don't use higanbana are a pain
wintry chasm
Post ARR is the best part of ARR
wintry chasm
People just hate 2.X since they played 2.0
fast kernel
so many fetch quests
vivid wolf
The lvl 50 slog is worth skipping
simple shore
As annoying as 2.1/2.2 is
vivid wolf
100 quests of almost no new content
simple shore
2.1-2.5 are kind of....really important contextually for the rest of the game
wintry chasm
And it's all important plot
wintry chasm
100 quests of almost no new content
I have no idea what you are on about
More content than 2.0
Except dungeon count
simple shore
no new content
Multiple new trials
Pick one.
fast kernel
5.3 hits in like 23 days?
fast kernel
he might wait till then?
wintry chasm
I can't be bothered to math
acoustic lichen
How would 5.3 being released affect the story skip?
simple shore
It wouldnt
fast kernel
5.3 has post ARR improvements
vivid wolf
They are reworking some arr stuff
fast kernel
Makes it less shitty
simple shore
Yeah but the skip itself is unimpacted
acoustic lichen
Not sure I will be too fussed if I’m into hw
wintry chasm
Seriously Bawz if you'll only do the plot if it's challenging don't bother because the story isn't challenging and if you skip the ARR post stuff you might as well not do the story since you miss out on a lot of important bits
simple shore
other than being even less of a point.
wintry chasm
I'd just skip to Shadowbringers
simple shore
I just find skips to be a really bad idea in general unless its literally for an alt.
wintry chasm
Mmm
acoustic lichen
Yeah to clarify, I love a good story but I also love good game play
simple shore
This isnt WoW. You arent nine years behind on some grind that you need to get to ASAP.
acoustic lichen
And as of yet I haven’t seen the good gameplay
fast kernel
pre-50 shit is pretty boring
wintry chasm
And 2.X gets a bad rep when it's literally better in every way to 2.0
acoustic lichen
And I haven’t even seen a good story so far
acoustic lichen
Not a newbie to the genre
wintry chasm
Stuff doesn't get exciting till HW tbh
It does get exciting beforehand it's just on and off
acoustic lichen
So the setup is fine and I feel comfortable with the game already
simple shore
Yeah 2.3-2.5 is very good
wintry chasm
And 2.2
proud willow
Opinions vary, basically.
acoustic lichen
But I can get the story from the cutscene log ?
fast kernel
If you can stomach it i do recommend just soldiering through
wintry chasm
||Doma stuff is fun and it revealed ninja as a thing. it's cool||
That's why 2.2 is good
No @acoustic lichen
A story is more than just the cutscenes
fast kernel
i mean its sufficient
wintry chasm
Not really
proud willow
the quest journal contains very detailed summaries of every quest
wintry chasm
I could not recommend it especially with how...patchy ARR makes a cutscene and what it doesn't
And how not much voiced stuff there is
proud willow
arguably, if you read those summaries instead of doing the quest, you would be more informed about the story than someone who played through it
fast kernel
yup
wintry chasm
That's... probably not true except the very end of ARR
fast kernel
Half the time i just blazed through
proud willow
but it would also be kinda boring, as it's just reading
acoustic lichen
Yeah ngl
I skip through it anyways
And just watch the cut scenes with audio
Which most don’t have
fast kernel
I didn't find the gameplay super engaging till i started doing the HW extremes and on
acoustic lichen
Yeah I’ll probs just do that then
wintry chasm
Same??? The story is good though and that was what kept me engaged to that point
acoustic lichen
If I have time to go and do the story I’ll just jump on an alt
wintry chasm
But yeah if you're going to skip I really would just go to Shadowbringers
fast kernel
I wouldn't tbh
acoustic lichen
How come
wintry chasm
I don't think the story will engage you
acoustic lichen
That’s all the way to 70
wintry chasm
You seem to only care about things that challenge you
Also
Skipping ARR makes HW plot make a fair amount of HW plot ????
fast kernel
You can definetly enjoy HW story while only knowing bits of ARR tbh
acoustic lichen
Well I don’t ever read the chat between 80% of npcs
wintry chasm
^ Atlas plz
He doesn't read anything
He'd pay to skip a small amount of content to then do content he'll skip 80% of which isn't hard which he said he likes
acoustic lichen
But for example wow
wintry chasm
I don't think him playing HW is good advice
fast kernel
I mean tbf a lot of ARR dialog is just shit
fast kernel
The expositiony ones are far and few in between
wintry chasm
It's issue is pacing not dialogue
acoustic lichen
What I’ve played so far has felt entirely disjointed
fast kernel
^
acoustic lichen
And if I’m honest a struggle to even engage with
fast kernel
Story gets more coherent in HW
acoustic lichen
Hence I’m bugging you guys about a skip ahah
wintry chasm
🤔
acoustic lichen
As atlas said if I had two weeks to just grind it out I wouldn’t have issue
plain flower
You skip most of the text of course the story feels disjointed
acoustic lichen
But I don’t have that much time these days to give
wintry chasm
Abhishu is right
If you're skipping most of the dialogue of course you'll think "but why am I here now?"
plain flower
If you don't care about the story and just want content skip to Shb
wintry chasm
This feels like a self caused issue regarding "disjointedness"
acoustic lichen
I mean I have never played these games meticulously reading the dialogue
fast kernel
Honestly you just skim all of the non voiced dialog
acoustic lichen
I think at the moment with all the quests etc going on it feels like the main story is not the main story but just the one that gives me the most exp
fast kernel
and you'll get the general idea
wintry chasm
Atlas...
candid raptor
Tbh if you only want superhard endgame raiding ffxiv will run dry real fast
wintry chasm
I cannot at all, whatsoever, agree with what you just said Atlas
plain flower
ffxiv is more of a story based mmo than a raid based one
acoustic lichen
Which are also challenging
wintry chasm
Then just do the endgame raids Bawz
acoustic lichen
Also I think ff14 has awesome combat
wintry chasm
You won't really find anything challenging before it
plain flower
If you're skipping the story ypu just have endgame stuff to do
acoustic lichen
And. I like the casual nature
simple shore
I mean, FF14 does have some of the most challenging raiding in the industry - but there is not alot of it.
wintry chasm
Point taken but still
simple shore
Like, if you want challenge, Ultimates is about as challenging as challenging gets
Worse than mythic in WoW
candid raptor
Yup
fast kernel
UwU was ok ish
plain flower
Treat this like other Final fantasy games instead of a MMO
acoustic lichen
I mean don’t get me wrong I’m not here to put myself in a sweat and ruin my keyboard every time
fast kernel
haven't tried TEA yet
wintry chasm
I mean don’t get me wrong I’m not here to put myself in a sweat and ruin my keyboard every time
Shame
acoustic lichen
I mean how are the dungeons later in the game
wintry chasm
Same as early game
acoustic lichen
Wow dungeons were a bit of a mob fest
candid raptor
The same
fast kernel
They've streamlined the design
wintry chasm
More mechanics though I guess
fast kernel
yeah
candid raptor
Trash into boss x3
acoustic lichen
Oh lol
wintry chasm
Yeah they aren't hard at all
simple shore
Do boss mechanics right
acoustic lichen
The bread and butter
simple shore
etc.
wintry chasm
Yeah bread and butter
candid raptor
Bosses can be fun
acoustic lichen
So what is end game then
simple shore
Bosses certainly get more interesting later
wintry chasm
Raids
acoustic lichen
Just the raid
fast kernel
and usually if you pull wall to wall, you do 2 pulls inbetween bosses
wintry chasm
And extreme trial fights
simple shore
Endgame is Savage raiding, and Ultimates
candid raptor
Savage and ultimate
wintry chasm
Extreme trial fights guys
simple shore
which are in no way easy
wintry chasm
They count
simple shore
Yeah true, EX counts.
fast kernel
^
wintry chasm
I mean
acoustic lichen
How casual is the raiding
fast kernel
DPS checks are fucking joke
wintry chasm
It's the easiest endgame content sure
mossy tartan
Does deployment tactics spread the effect of catalyze to my party as well?
simple shore
Savage is not casual at all
candid raptor
No
wintry chasm
Easiest endgame content but still endgame content that is "challenging"
fast kernel
Oh don't forget Housing
acoustic lichen
Sorry just so I’m up on the lingo
fast kernel
thats real endgame there
candid raptor
Savage is fun/challenging early on
acoustic lichen
Savage is like brutal raids
wintry chasm
Yes
acoustic lichen
And extreme is the casual
wintry chasm
No
simple shore
I actually ran numbers on this once, a bit less than ~5% of the playerbase on Aether/Primal has full cleared the current tier of Savage
fast kernel
Fights in FFXIV are usually pretty much the same
acoustic lichen
Oh wow
fast kernel
Very few randomized elements
wintry chasm
8-man raids have a normal and savage modes
simple shore
So yeah. Savage is no joke.
acoustic lichen
So most players just run norm raids weekly
wintry chasm
Trials are like, actual boss fight fights and their hard version is extreme
simple shore
Norm raids are pretty casual
wintry chasm
Casuals sure Bawz but you'd want to do savage for the weekly better gear
acoustic lichen
5^% of players on savage
mossy tartan
If I get a critical heal using adloquium, does the “galvanize” shield get any bonus in its amount, or do I just get this extra “catalyze” shield?
acoustic lichen
That’s quite elite raiding
simple shore
Well the thing is, the difficulty jump between Normal and Savage is like
native grove
does anyone know where to easily find other people who need bird mounts to farm with?
candid raptor
@mossy tartan you still get a crit shield
acoustic lichen
But 5% is less than wow elite raiding
wintry chasm
That’s quite elite raiding
@acoustic lichen nah playerbase is just casual
acoustic lichen
Which I would say is quite demanding
wintry chasm
People play this game for the story a lot of the time not for raids
Not everyone is raid focused like WoW
fast kernel
even though the game has solid gameplay
acoustic lichen
Yeah so I’m just curious how that translate to endgame
candid raptor
The barrier to entry can be daunting too
mossy tartan
@mossy tartan you still get a crit shield
@candid raptor the galvanize effect itself gets a bonus? Or the crit of adlo is just an extra shield titled “catalyze”?
fast kernel
and the soundtrack is BALLER
acoustic lichen
If people play it for the story
wintry chasm
Wdym Bawz?
candid raptor
@mossy tartan you get a crit base shield and the catalyze effect on top iirc
mossy tartan
alright, thank you
acoustic lichen
That people play it for the story
But what story is left when you’re at end game
candid raptor
And the difference between doing normal and savage is huge
simple shore
Whatever the next patches story is
plain flower
They wait for the next content drop
wintry chasm
Some side stuff
acoustic lichen
Ah I se
acoustic lichen
See I love the raid lore
candid raptor
On savage if you fail a mechanic you usually just die
fast kernel
You can also spend anywhere between 30-60h progging ultimates
simple shore
100+ hours for TEA is average
acoustic lichen
Is there anyway to get up to speed on the raid lore
mossy tartan
TEA?
simple shore
The Epic of Alexander
mossy tartan
Ah
simple shore
i.e. Alex Ultimate
candid raptor
Raids all have their individual.arcs
wintry chasm
Like seriously the raids have a plotline you do
acoustic lichen
As in arcs at end game
mossy tartan
It’s not a must to do, right? (TEA)
fast kernel
nah
acoustic lichen
Or arcs in msq
fast kernel
Its bragging rights
simple shore
TEA is like, the 1% of the 1% gameplay
acoustic lichen
So if jump to 70 I can still do the raiding story
fast kernel
ofc
candid raptor
Yup
simple shore
Alot of it wont make sense though
acoustic lichen
And I guess dungeons are just irrelevant story wise
wintry chasm
However the raids can often be pretty connected to the MSQ in indirect ways or directly in one 24-man raid
candid raptor
No
wintry chasm
Depends on the dungeon @acoustic lichen
mossy tartan
Dungeons have some nice lore
plain flower
Dungeons are required for the msq
wintry chasm
Msq dungeons are important for msq
simple shore
Alex will make sense just fine. Omega will make significantly less sense.
candid raptor
Dungeons qre always part of the story
mossy tartan
Some dungeons have pieces of lore scattered that you can read
fast kernel
Keeper of the lake has some pretty important stuff for one
acoustic lichen
I see
candid raptor
Vault is bis
acoustic lichen
So if I jumped to 70 and wanted to also run through the lore is there anything I can read?
mossy tartan
The Vault too
@wintry chasm “FILTHY RATS!”
candid raptor
Also the fractal continuum hard
acoustic lichen
Basically avoiding questing
wintry chasm
Yeah Bawz
BUT
There is no substitute to going through it yourself and experiencing it
candid raptor
Yiu can replay every cutscene in your inn room
plain flower
Don't recommend you skipping anything if it's your first character
candid raptor
And read all log entries
wintry chasm
@candid raptor yes but that's a lot of important dialogue missing
candid raptor
Ofc
proud willow
In a sense, it's kind of like if someone summed up all the MCU in 30 minutes so you could watch Endgame
you'd mildly understand what was going on
but you wouldn't care
simple shore
Yeah, that's an apt comparison
wintry chasm
^
candid raptor
Nothing beats going through the story the first time
wintry chasm
But yeah I could get summaries from the #archived-lore-spoilers pins
acoustic lichen
But to that point I can spend a lot of more time reading the Mcu and then watch ends game
Whereas it seems like I gotta play 300 hours of msq to then get that story
So I thought I could just read it to appreciate the lore
plain flower
You wouldn't care when you reach the end
wintry chasm
But watching the old MCU to watch endgame is fun
Those movies aren't god awful
Neither is the stuff before Shadowbringers
acoustic lichen
I would if I wouldn’t enjoy 300 of questing lol
wintry chasm
Questing is fuuuun because the plot is fuuuun
acoustic lichen
Ngl 90% of questing is not fun
plain flower
What level are you right now?
fast kernel
ARR is still boring as hell
fast kernel
I'd say that 20% is ARR is interesting
wintry chasm
But 2.2 onwards is pretty consistently engaging I think it's not boring
candid raptor
It ends with a bang for sure
wintry chasm
I'd say that 20% is ARR is interesting
2.0 or 2.0-2.5?
fast kernel
the whole thing
wintry chasm
70% fun
fast kernel
Primals were eh
acoustic lichen
32 on one account 22 on another
wintry chasm
2.1 is slow, parts of 2.0 is badly paced, 2.2-2.55 are pretty good
acoustic lichen
I think like 12 hours
fast kernel
There were like maybe two interesting ones
wintry chasm
32 on one account 22 on another
But is that level in story or just class level?
acoustic lichen
Class
proud willow
I feel like you're pushing 2.2 really hard. That is the "Make a Chocobo Smell Nice" arc
wintry chasm
That is one objective
plain flower
What's the MSQ level?
wintry chasm
Come on
I feel like you're pushing 2.2 really hard. That is the "Make a Chocobo Smell Nice" arc
5.0 is shit because it makes me water plants for no reason
proud willow
I'm not gonna argue it here, but it's indicative of most of what you do other than the trial
fast kernel
ARR was basically filler inbetween primals
then some cool stuff in the last 3 patches
wintry chasm
Primals were the filler
fast kernel
samething can be said for all the expacs of course
candid raptor
@acoustic lichen tbh if you're not past the lvl 50 story you can't really say whether you'll enjoy it or not
mossy tartan
Is there any possible way to get to the ship without flying? The quest is “Unseen” level 58 scholar quest
simple shore
At the same time
tbh, i think you're just avoiding it
In the time you've spent complaining here you could easily be 5-6 levels onward in MSQ
candid raptor
No
twilit arch
outside of having someone ferry you, no you need flying for it @mossy tartan
plain flower
You've basically read the first 10 pages of a novel and said the story is boring
candid raptor
You really really haven't
twilit arch
tbh i think this talk about whether to skip or not has gone long enough
candid raptor
It is still trying to help someome
twilit arch
if you really are not interested in ARR's story, then buy the ARR msq skip and either buy the level skip as well or grind to 50 to start heavensward
or just buy the skips to step straight into shadowbringers
proud willow
Yeah there isn't much more to be said, everyone's opinion has been stated
twilit arch
after a point, you're just repeating yourself and dragging on a conversation that doesn't need to be dragged on
candid raptor
It's helpful to discourage skips for first timers imo but eh you made your case
fresh lodge
Let people skip if they want to
fresh lodge
If they decide they want to go back and do the MSQ, they can do NG+/a new character
candid raptor
@acoustic lichen only thing I'd add is that with 5.3 which is real soon the early questing will be 'revamped'
acoustic lichen
@twilit arch not a bad summary, couple of points glossed over 👍
@candid raptor might be even more reason to go back to the msq on an alt
rough lance
applying glamour using glamour plates doesn't use up prism?
fast kernel
no
rough lance
so u can happily change anytime without prism as long as u applied in glamour plate?
right?
fast kernel
Only thing i want more from glamour plates is the ability to store more stuff in it and an actual furniture that we can build
yes
fast kernel
can only apply it in safe zones
mossy tartan
Will there be extra glamour set slots in the future?
simple shore
That's the only thing i want to see change - applying glamour plates anywhere
fast kernel
maybe
simple shore
Or at least anywhere non-instanced
fast kernel
Wish we could set glam plates in our own homes instead of having to go to inns
placid compass
Hello! I'm considering buying FFXIV on the PS4 and was wondering if anyone could point me toward some general tips/guides/content to help me solidify my desire to purchase? Cause the game looks amazing I just wanna be sure it's worth the initial buying cost and that of a subscription
limber sun
hey folks, dumb question but I am leveling an alt and I somehow missed unlocking the guildleve duty finder roulette and I can't figure out what unlocks this?
twilit arch
have you tried the trial @placid compass
simple shore
@limber sun not worth bothering with, tbh
mossy tartan
Very well worth it if you enjoy story-heavy MMOs and great music, get the trial as a starter
placid compass
@twilit arch I thought the trial was only for Windows users?
twilit arch
There should be a trial on the ps4
limber sun
@simple shore well for the lower levels I would really like a chocobo ASAP and need seals
and I know the role bonus is a nice way to get that early
zinc orbitBOT
twilit arch
the main scenario quest after you join a grand company gives you the seals you need to buy the issuance
simple shore
You should have no trouble buying chocobo
candid raptor
Though I'd say the trial showcases the game at its worst
simple shore
the MSQ's immediately after its available gives enough seals
limber sun
ok so how do I unlock guildeleves?
placid compass
I'm not seeing a trial
limber sun
duly noted that y'all don't like guildleves lol
placid compass
I just see the base game, Shadowbringers, the Complete Edition, Collector's edition, and subscription service
plain flower
@placid compass Check under the starter edition- Addons/demos or whatever
simple shore
Its just a waste of time. tbh i dont even remember how to unlock it because i didnt bother on my second character.
candid raptor
Just go outside your starting city or something
twilit arch
guildhests aren't really that important to unlock, since the exp they give is pretty meh after like lvl 30 or so
placid compass
@plain flower found it 🙂
candid raptor
It isn't a hidden quest
limber sun
oh yeah that's what I meant, guildhests
placid compass
I was looking at all the jobs in the game, and Astrologian seems really cool. So does black mage
Scholar, too
twilit arch
But iirc you need to do the guildleve unlock quest in your starting city (it'll be at the adventurer's guild) and then there'll be a second quest at the town that quest takes you to
candid raptor
@placid compass astrologian takes a while to unlock
plain flower
It'll be part of the leve line that you get around level 15
fast kernel
@placid compass To sum it up, FFXIV has great gameplay, well designed fights, a banger as hell soundtrack, and a pretty interesting story
limber sun
ah, gotcha. I started in Gridania but I've been kicking around Lominsa so that's probably why I can't find it. thanks!
fast kernel
Graphics are passable
The first 10-20h of the story is pretty slow
but pacing improves later on
placid compass
@candid raptor yeah I saw, it's like a level 30 unlock or something right?
plain flower
The free trial only lets you go up to level 35
And you cant get Astrologian in the free trial
placid compass
Yea you need Heavensward I think
twilit arch
No, astrologian, along with the other heavensward jobs, requires you to be lvl 50 to unlock and get to the town of Ishgard to unlock
candid raptor
Ast requires for you to enter ishgard which is lvl 50+ and many hours into story
twilit arch
which requires you to complete all of the Realm Reborn main scenario quests
fast kernel
AST is also the busiest healer
plain flower
But the free trial should give a general idea if you like the game or not
twilit arch
So it's a fair bit before you can unlock it
fluid escarp
Is AST the best healer?
simple shore
AST has a very sharp learning curve compared to the other healers. So starting out with White Mage (Conjurer) may be advisable.
placid compass
I'd probably start with Scholar then
plain flower
Also remember you can level all jobs on one character
placid compass
Scholar is in the base game right?
mossy tartan
don’t think there’s a “best healer”
placid compass
Or should I do white mage
plain flower
Yes starts as arcanist
twilit arch
yes, both scholar and white mage are in the base game
fast kernel
WHM i'd say is best just purely because of benediction
simple shore
White Mage is by far the easiest to play early on, and its also probably the most powerful in dungeons.
limber sun
SCH is in the base game but you need to unlock the job after leveling an Arcanist to 30, WHM can play as a healer from level 1
twilit arch
whereas white mage's base class, conjurer, is a healer from the start
plain flower
You can unlock all classes after you reach level 10 so it doesn't matter what you start with
placid compass
Ahhhhhhh okay
simple shore
The big thing with healers in FF14 - is that you're also a DPS, you just also have the job of keeping everyones healthbars from hitting 0.
placid compass
I don't know if I'll even like being a supportive role, I usually do DPS, I just wanna try it and see how it is cause Astrologian looked cool
But that sounds cool
simple shore
So dont make a decision thinking "a healer will be slow beacuse it doesnt do any damage"
fast kernel
Blood Lillies are so dank
limber sun
After you've been playing for a bit, it won't seem like much at all to get an Arcanist to 30 to unlock Scholar, but when you first start out, if you're itching to play a healer you'll probably want to start as a conjurer so that you get to heal right away
fast kernel
Misery hits like a truck
simple shore
That said
Conjurer/White Mage will also prepare you better for Astrologian
since when you're doing dungeons, you will generally be in the "White Mage" style stance for AST
SCH plays alot differently
placid compass
That's the diurnal stance, right?
mossy tartan
If you’re confused, jobs (classes) are mostly abbreviated
Astrologian (AST)
White mage (WHM)
Etc
placid compass
The white mage-y one
mossy tartan
Yep
simple shore
Yeah, Diurnal
leaden ginkgo
hey i just hit level 48 and i need level 49 to proceed with the msq, what is the best way to level up until 49?
mossy tartan
What’s your role?
leaden ginkgo
ninja
placid compass
I wish I could get FFXIV on Windows but I just have a puny laptop I'm gonna use for college lol
fluid escarp
Arnt Daily roulettes decent for you to lv up
mossy tartan
How are the queue times for you? (Dungeons)
placid compass
But it's cross-platform anyway
simple shore
@leaden ginkgo the answer to that question is always going to be :
A. Do any roulettes you havent done for the day
B. If you have already done all of those, queue the highest level dungeon you have available
leaden ginkgo
usually quite long for msq dungeons, i have not done dungeons outside of msq ones yet
simple shore
Unless you are like literally 5% away then go do a FATE or something
mossy tartan
You can finish the daily roulette: Leveling once,
Or spam the dungeon “Aurum Vale” until you level up @leaden ginkgo
fluid escarp
Is pvp fun? I’ve never done pvp