questions-and-help

[rotund dome]

what are the benefits of leveling fisher?

currently at the halfway point, and im just wondering since i think they can only be useful for cul mats

[mossy current]

Shark mount

It's a fun gatherer and is a part of the gathering leveling achivements

If you care for the titles

[rotund dome]

oo

[obsidian patio]

Some of the rarer fish can be desynthed into glamour gear

[rotund dome]

wait really?

[mossy current]

Really? Huh

[rotund dome]

😮

could you give an example?

[mossy current]

Question is, is it good glamor

[wispy shard]

It’s also a remarkably chill job, in my experience

[obsidian patio]

beach stuff mostly

!iglam Coeurl Beach Maro

[zinc orbit]

Error!

No Glamour image found, Kupo!

[obsidian patio]

!iglam Coeurl Beach bikini

[zinc orbit]

Error!

Item not found, Kupo!

[obsidian patio]

!iglam coeurl beach halter

[zinc orbit]

**Coeurl Beach Halter** **:** Body

Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape.

[rotund dome]

Oooooooo

wish i could price check that

[desert dove]

best way to farm centurio seals?

[obsidian patio]

HW/SB hunt trains, along with daily+weekly hunting bills

[desert dove]

how do u find hunt trains?

[mossy current]

Hunt Linkshells

[obsidian patio]

ask around on your server in the cities or endgame hubs

[mossy current]

Some show up in party finder too

[desert dove]

thanks guys

last one

nvm lol

[long oriole]

where can i go to look for open free companies. I'm looking for friendly people to play with o.o

[desert dove]

what server are u in?

[long oriole]

primal

behemoth i think

[desert dove]

fuck nvm

i was gonna ask u to join mine

[long oriole]

sorry ><

[desert dove]

u just have to get lucky tbh

when i was a noob someone just approached me and asked me to join their fc

[long oriole]

o

[zinc orbit]

Automated Message: A Friendly Moogle Reminder

This channel is for new or returning players to ask questions and discuss Final Fantasy XIV. As a reminder this channel is a troll free and an off-topic free zone. For general discussion please use #general-discussion. <@&473626701947994134> are available to help in this channel. Thank-You, Kupo!

[mortal nebula]

Has the maintenance started?

[slate arrow]

yes

!maint

[zinc orbit]

Tick, Tock, Kupo!

Time Until [Maintenance]All Worlds Maintenance (Apr. 6) Maintenance Ends:

0 Days, 4 Hours, 11 Minutes, 30 Seconds

[mortal nebula]

Is there maintenance sometimes shorter?

[slate arrow]

they sometimes do open it early but most of this expansion has always been a full maint this time around

[left moth]

relic is new content so it's likely to be a full window

at minumum until weekly reset

[slate arrow]

relic has never been weekly limited though fwiw

[obsidian patio]

Yeah, not since like Zenith Step when that wanted weekly tomestone

[left moth]

more because of eden (weekly reset), not from relic trial

[slate arrow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

it's still possible

as slim as it might be

[wanton charm]

I'm a FF14/mmo noob, but I been wondering. What's a Static?

[mossy current]

Group that gets together to do stuff

[oak ice]

A group of people that meet up on a set/agreed upon time to do content

[mossy current]

Mainly high end content

[wanton charm]

Ah okay, thank you, that makes a lot of sense.

Well. Wrong wording, I understand now. Apologies.

[leaden ginkgo]

So patch note question

What is the Resistance dungeon they are talking about

[mossy current]

Relic weapon series

For Shadowbringers

[leaden ginkgo]

It sounds like a deep dungeon

[oak ice]

It's for the relic, but what it entails entirely we don't know yet

[mossy current]

Nah

Just a raid

[leaden ginkgo]

Ah okau

Was excited for a moment

[mossy current]

Deep Dungeon should come next patch based on patterns in 3.3 and 4.3?

[oak ice]

There won't be any 5.0 deep dungeon

[mossy current]

Aw

[obsidian patio]

What I remember them saying is that if they are doing one it may not be until 5.4/5.5

[cobalt pagoda]

hey, so I bought the lvl50 ironwork armor of fending, what’s the next armor I should get? now I’m lvl 52

[obsidian patio]

If you augment the armor it can last until 54/55

but for the non-augmented you'll replace it with HQ level 52 crafted gear and the level 53 dungeons et

[cobalt pagoda]

aha

ok, so I was thinking that it might be better to start crafting so I can make my own armor, is it hard to craft HQ?

[obsidian patio]

you don't really need to craft your own stuff for leveling up.

I usually just get by with the tomestone/dungeon gear for past 50.

[cobalt pagoda]

I see, I was thinking that it will make crafting easyer if I lvl my craft in tandem with my job lvl

at least for blacksmith an weapons

[proud willow]

Somewhat confusingly, quest rewards are typically crafted gear, and starting with Heavensward, you get HQ crafted from quests

so if someone says to get HQ crafted gear, they don't necessarily mean craft it yourself, or even buy it from other players

[hoary storm]

Like Wynne said after 50 you want to use tomestone items, theyre better than crafted

[proud willow]

You might get it from MSQ and/or sidequests

[obsidian patio]

they're not always better than crafted, it's just what I do.

Stats are determined entirely on the ilvl of the item and if it's HQ (if it's crafted)

[cobalt pagoda]

I might not like to farm that dungeon untill I get an whole set for my DRK

[hoary storm]

But crafting HQ at those lvls are just not worth it imo

[obsidian patio]

You might be lucky and find cheap HQ vendor gear on the MB

since some people sell the quest rewards

[cobalt pagoda]

aha

I will need gil for that since I don’t have any income of gil what I have will dry quickly

[hoary storm]

What I do is at 50/60/70 I get the tomestone gear and replace it with dungeons gear as it drops

[cobalt pagoda]

hm, thing is I might get tired of farming dungeons for gear, and my drive for farming dungeons is glamour, so I don’t wanna farm to many dungeons for glamour AND gear

for crafting I changed my mind with the dificulty in getting gear

[obsidian patio]

I usually don't farm the dungeon for the whole set and just take whatever gear it gives and go to the next dungeon

[hoary storm]

ohh I dont mean farm dungeons for gear, youre farming EXP the gear is just a bonus, but thats if youre farming dungeons for EXP at all

[cobalt pagoda]

so now I wanna try

aha

[thick pagoda]

Hey y'all! New to FF14 and I have some questions if no one minds

[cobalt pagoda]

ok, so next question is about crafting, do I need gathering to craft? I also don’t like the idea of farming dungeons or whatever to get the mats , so my way of crafting is to buy the mats and then craft to make gill, then do that untill I have enough gill to buy more mats to craft more to get more gill

[warped nest]

You gather from mining nodes or from tree/bushes

[cobalt pagoda]

I just complicated stuff didn’t I?

[warped nest]

You don't go into dungeons to get mats for your crafters

[hot eagle]

probably should lvl your gatherer if u rly want to make cash with crafting

[warped nest]

And no, you don't need to level gatherer for your crafters

It is self sustain

Very very convenient

[cobalt pagoda]

oh that’s good

[warped nest]

But not absolute

[obsidian patio]

Do note that profit margins will be slimmer if you don't gather your own stuff

[quick pecan]

are the new skysteel weapons supposed to be the new bis

or are they just like glamour

tools*

not weapons sorry

[obsidian patio]

if they'll work like the Relic weapons, they'll be the best in the end

it's hard to say for sure

[warped nest]

Which last for 6-9 months

[obsidian patio]

since the first (and previously only) set of 'relic' weapons for crafters were like the only tools they used.

[warped nest]

Everything in this game is optional

[obsidian patio]

correction: they were the only primary tools for level 50, besides the later-added Artisan stuff

[warped nest]

The only contents that needed the absolute best gears are Ultimate raid

Everything else can be done in decent gears

[thick pagoda]

A while back I bought shadowbringers a long time ago and the sub ran out. Can I not play still even on a lvl 35 or lower?

[warped nest]

If you want to grind, you are free to

Subscription is monthly fee

[obsidian patio]

Nope, once you register the game you can't use the trial anymore.

[warped nest]

Oh, that

Yeah

[thick pagoda]

Damn unlucky

Was hoping it was like wow,,

[warped nest]

You will get free 30 days though

[thick pagoda]

Ik I used it already

[warped nest]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Unless you really stretch out 1-35

By doing all sidequest

All combat classes + gatherer/crafters

You generally don't lose much from missing these free period

[thick pagoda]

Well I like impulse bought the game

And didnt have anyone to play with got overwhelmed then quit 3 days later

I think I got to like lvl 7

So was hoping I could still do trial to see if I wanted to go back lol

[warped nest]

And didnt have anyone to play with got overwhelmed then quit 3 days later
Ahh, I see

[hot eagle]

make a new trial account then

[warped nest]

I can understand why people like to play in group

[hot eagle]

and try if u want to come back later on your full account

[thick pagoda]

But I downloaded through steam

Wait

[warped nest]

You can make a throwaway trial account if you want to

Another option is to wait for free login week

[thick pagoda]

So if I just make a new account can I still use the launcher I bought on steam?

[warped nest]

Which happens I would say 2-3 times a year?

[hot eagle]

probably will need to download a new launcher since trial and normal one aren't the same

[wispy dust]

Hello, I am trying to buy the game , if I get this, do I get the registration code to update it to permanent on my MOG account?

[obsidian patio]

yeah you'll get a code

[thick pagoda]

@wispy dust jotaro but it's actually yugi

[wispy dust]

Huwhat?

There better

[obsidian patio]

@thick pagoda kinda? You'll need to make a new steam account since your current one is linked to your old account.

[thick pagoda]

@obsidian patio sigh that's a lot of relogging and downloading but alas

[warped nest]

Complete edition is base game (lvl 1-50) and Shadowbringers (which is latest edition, but previous expansion are included in this one for free)

[wispy dust]

So I buy this, its cheaper , since its $59.99 from the MOG account, when I do I get a code on sent to my email that I put on here to activate my account.

[thick pagoda]

@obsidian patio also another question, so things like gun breaker isn't available till max level?

[warped nest]

!faq shbjobs

[zinc orbit]

Shadowbringers Jobs and How to Unlock Them

Info

Shadowbringers Expansion Jobs: Gunbreaker (Tank) and Dancer (Ranged DPS). These jobs start at level 60 and require ownership of the Shadowbringers Expansion and a disciple of war or magic job at level 60.

Job Unlock Locations:
Gunbreaker - Gods' Quiver Bow at New Gridania (11,11), quest name is "The Makings of a Gunbreaker".
Dancer - Eager Lominsan at Limsa Lominsa Lower Decks (9,12), quest name is "Shall We Dance".

[obsidian patio]

@wispy dust yep

[fresh lodge]

You need to be level 60 to unlock Gunbreaker

[hot eagle]

or downloading the trial over the trial site without steam should probably a lil bit faster as to also make a new steam account

[warped nest]

Once you have a lvl 60 combat job, you can go and unlock Gunbreaker

No matter where you are in the story

[wispy dust]

Excellent, now the only issue is my country is not listed on the selection when checking out. Is that going to be a problem?

[thick pagoda]

@warped nest what's a disciple of war?

[warped nest]

Physical combat job

So tank, melee, and physical range

[thick pagoda]

I see

[warped nest]

Disciple of mage are magic range and healers

DoW/M is just in game term for all combat jobs

[thick pagoda]

So another question, if I lvl a character to 35 would I be able to special change into an astrologian?

[warped nest]

Astrologian is a tad more complicated

[thick pagoda]

O

[warped nest]

Astrologian, Machinist, and Dark Knight are expansion jobs from Heavensward expansion

You need to be inside expansion region to unlock them

[thick pagoda]

Mhmhm

[warped nest]

Stormblood and Shadowbringers jobs can be unlocked in ARR (base game) location

[thick pagoda]

ARR?

Oh

Okay so I bought the shadowbringers edition from steam does that mean I have access to all content when I sub?

[warped nest]

Yeah

[thick pagoda]

Okay ty

[warped nest]

Take note that you can only change class/job

Once you completed 1 lvl 10 class quest for any class

[thick pagoda]

Okok

So like if I rolled knight but want a sorcerrr now I can just respect ez?

[warped nest]

There's no spec

Everything comes from gear

[thick pagoda]

Change jobs*

Sorry I play a lot of world of Warcraft lmao

[warped nest]

Yeah just change job from a menu

No problem

We got you covered

[thick pagoda]

That's where all my mmo knowledge is at

Okay cool

[slate arrow]

you just change which main arm you have equipped to change classes

[warped nest]

Btw, 1 character can play all jobs

[slate arrow]

once you have access to 2 classes or jobs you also unlock gearsets

[warped nest]

Just in case you aren't aware of that

[thick pagoda]

So if I rolled a sorcerer then wanted to go into dk but then don't want that can I roll into gun breaker?

[warped nest]

Gearset is how you save your gear setup and quickly swap between jobs

[slate arrow]

you don't roll a new character

you just equip the main arm

[thick pagoda]

No ik that wht I said roll into x job

[slate arrow]

in this case, you equip a gunblade after you do the level 60 unlock quest

[wispy dust]

Wait if I am from Asia I should be buying in the PAL section not in NA right?

[warped nest]

It depends on your trial account

[slate arrow]

You should be buying from the EU site

(EU and other regions to be exact)

also depends on where you are in asia

[thick pagoda]

So equipin a gb makes me a gb and if I wanted to be sorcerer just equip a staff?

[wispy dust]

My trial account is SG since , my country is not listed.

[slate arrow]

since china and korea have their own clients

ah singapore

you should be fine with EU then

(is it singapore)

[wispy dust]

Im not from SG but its like the closest I could get from where I am

[warped nest]

So equipin a gb makes me a gb and if I wanted to be sorcerer just equip a staff?
@thick pagoda yes

[wispy dust]

okay, PAL it is then, its like $10.00 more expensive

[fresh lodge]

You have to do the opening quest for a new class

[wispy dust]

Ugh

[thick pagoda]

@warped nest weird ty

[fresh lodge]

Before you can equip a weapon

[warped nest]

What Meara said

[thick pagoda]

Ty

[warped nest]

You need to do the starting quest

[slate arrow]

Also, my number one tip for any WoW player

this is a final fantasy game first and MMO second

[warped nest]

Don't go and buy weapon and equip them on your own

[thick pagoda]

Okay so do character boosts exslust?

[slate arrow]

plot is the main meat of this game

[thick pagoda]

Exist*

[slate arrow]

not directly

you have job boosts

but they're quite expensive

[echo tapir]

there's no sylvanas in this game so you dont have to be ptsd about it anymore too

just enjoy story

[thick pagoda]

Okay so it plays like an FF game?

[warped nest]

Think of it as registering yourself with the mage guild as a fledgling mage

It is FF single player story with co-op dungeons

[slate arrow]

^

[warped nest]

That's how I'd describe XIV

[thick pagoda]

@echo tapir fuck sylvanas megalul. Killed out boy saurfang pepe

[slate arrow]

You have to play the plot to progress.

You can pay to skip the plot, but that's like paying to skip the endgame in WoW

[fresh lodge]

Hmm

I don't agree with that

[slate arrow]

Speaking of which, job skip only gets you to the beginning of the expansion.

[thick pagoda]

OMG THATSBA REAL PERSON

[slate arrow]

*in terms of level

[fresh lodge]

Skipping the plot is skipping the plot

[thick pagoda]

I THOUGHT IT WAS THE BOT OML

[echo tapir]

lol

[warped nest]

Yeah, neither story or job skip put you at maximum

[thick pagoda]

Mhm

[warped nest]

Story skip put you in the beginning of Shadowbringers

[thick pagoda]

Hm

[fresh lodge]

Whats a bot?

[warped nest]

Job skip put you at 10 level below level cap (80)

[thick pagoda]

@fresh lodge when lchronos did a command and you also talked so I thought you were a bot,,,,

[fresh lodge]

Beep boop

[thick pagoda]

Hehe

[slate arrow]

Speaking of which, a lot of your class actions are dripped though your class and job quests so like

please do them

[hoary storm]

Meara is the hammer bot

Beep boop

[thick pagoda]

Okay so question

[fresh lodge]

Answer

[thick pagoda]

Is job lvl the lvl of your character?

[warped nest]

Yes

[fresh lodge]

Yes

[thick pagoda]

Weird

[slate arrow]

there's no shared character level

every level per job is independent

[fresh lodge]

When you swap to a different job, you're that level

[hoary storm]

Only SMN/SCH

[thick pagoda]

So if I'm lvl 80 max raid gear and then decided I wanted to roll a different class I'd start at lvl 1 and have to relvl?

[slate arrow]

yes

[warped nest]

Some of the jobs start high

[thick pagoda]

Or change class sorry

[slate arrow]

but you don't have to start as a new character

[warped nest]

Shadowbringers jobs for example, start at lvl 60 when you unlock them

[slate arrow]

Expansions start at 30, 50, and 60 respectively

[warped nest]

Expansion jobs

[slate arrow]

it's only A Realm Reborn jobs/classes which start at 1

[thick pagoda]

What's max lvl? 80?

[slate arrow]

yes, currently

[warped nest]

For now, yeah

[thick pagoda]

Hm

[wispy shard]

The difference being, unlike in WoW, you're that class on that character. Matter of swapping a piece of gear to change your class, so you don't have to go through the entire plotline again

[thick pagoda]

How long roughly does it take to lvl?

[warped nest]

3-4 dungeons per level

Without bonus

[wispy dust]

Quick question, my trial account is in JAPAN Data Center and I am buying the complete edition from the EU/PAL site. This wont be a problem?

[slate arrow]

what is your SE account region

[warped nest]

Which Data center you play on doesn't matter

[thick pagoda]

In hearing to lvl do the MSQs

[wispy dust]

Interestingly I am using a mog account and when I went to the NA and EU site they both logged me in automatically.

[warped nest]

Don't overlevel your job to do MSQ

It doesn't give you any advantage

[slate arrow]

the MSQ gives you enough EXP to keep you leveled at roughly the same pace as the MSQ, unless you have Road to 70 EXP buff

[slate arrow]

uh?

i think you need an NA code???

[thick pagoda]

I mean I hear the best way to lvl is just to do story line

[slate arrow]

yep

[warped nest]

For your highest level job(s), yes

[thick pagoda]

Okok and how long would that take?

Like roughly

[fresh lodge]

!faq gameregions

[zinc orbit]

Account Regions

Info

Account Regions

[warped nest]

Like, 3-6 weeks depending on how often you play daily

And if you go off and do side contents

[wispy shard]

It's a pretty meaty story. Depending on if you beeline it and actually read through as it goes, you'll be playing it for a while

[warped nest]

Or level a different job

[slate arrow]

i forgot how long ARR takes but expansions are 10-20 hours for "leveling" and 10-20 hours for the patch quests depending on your pace and/or distractions

[thick pagoda]

Well it's quarantine so let's say unhealthy amounts at 10hrs a day

[wispy dust]

Oooof region cant be changed?

[slate arrow]

no

generally not

with very small exceptions

[wispy dust]

Why would it allow me to select the americas when my country is SG 😦

[warped nest]

You can drive your Mustang in Japan, but it is still an American car

[slate arrow]

Humble Bundle should let you buy an NA key

[warped nest]

That's how account works

[slate arrow]

unless you're on steam

[fresh lodge]

Because there is only the Americas, Europe, and Japan regions

[warped nest]

Well it's quarantine so let's say unhealthy amounts at 10hrs a day
@thick pagoda probably 4-5 weeks

[slate arrow]

it's Europe and Other Regions

[thick pagoda]

@warped nest yikers

[slate arrow]

(is the full name of EU for FFXIV)

[warped nest]

I know that a streamer manage to finish ARR, HW, and SB using the 1 free month from a Twitch promotion

[fresh lodge]

A lot of Asia is lumped in with America

[slate arrow]

@thick pagoda each expansion is about the size of one full final fantasy game

[hoary storm]

thats reading and watching cs?

[wispy dust]

But I can still buy the NA complete edition and keep on playing in the Japan Data Center after upgrading my Mog account

[slate arrow]

yes

[warped nest]

He also did side quests and level 3-4 jobs

Yeah

[fresh lodge]

Yes

[warped nest]

We don't recommend rushing

[fresh lodge]

Game region doesn't affect what server you can play on

[slate arrow]

NA/EU/JP datacenters are on the global release version

[warped nest]

Just pace yourself

[thick pagoda]

@warped nest so let's say I sub now and start playing and get to class lvl 40 and my friend starts at 1 can I still play with them, if I just changed my class?

[slate arrow]

yes

but you will level faster due to having an EXP bonus

!faq armouryexp

[warped nest]

You can even queue dungeon with them using your level 40 job

[zinc orbit]

Armoury EXP bonus FAQ

Info

'How do I get the bonus experience from the Armoury?'

As long as you're playing a Disciple of War or a Disciple of Magic class that's a lower level than your highest level class then you're able to benefit from the bonus experience. You do not need to have a class at level 80 for the bonus to be active.

'How much is the bonus experience?'

You get +100% experience from levels 1 to 69, which then reduces to +50% for level 70 to 79. The difference in level between your current class and highest class does not change the amount of experience you get.

[warped nest]

Btw this game has level sync

[slate arrow]

also, level sync

yeah what chronos said

[thick pagoda]

Ohhhh okay

[wispy dust]

I am from the Bahamas then....weird

[warped nest]

If your friend do a lvl 15 dungeon, the game will down sync your lvl 40 jobs to the maximum level of that lvl 15 dungeon (which is around 17/18)

[thick pagoda]

Ik wow just did that so I didn't know if it wasn't newer thing

[wispy dust]

Buying from the NA site, playing in the JP Data center

[slate arrow]

i mean all FF11 players played in JP no matter which region they came from so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warped nest]

You can't use a lvl 1 class to help your friend with their MSQ though

You can still walk on the open map with them

But you aren't going help much

[thick pagoda]

Okay I'm sorry another question. So how's the end game content? Is it like WoWs? Or is there a stopping point where there's just nothing more to do?

[granite wolf]

Do we know where to go yet to start the new relic chain tomorrow?

[slate arrow]

kugane

[thick pagoda]

Like can you beat ff14

[slate arrow]

@thick pagoda endgame tl;dr 4 current tier raids (we call them savage raids), two to three extreme raids, and one ultimate raid is usually relevant

[warped nest]

In Endgame, people do the following:

• EX trials: in game mounts, glamour weapon
• Savage raid: weapon and armor
• Ultimate raid: bragging rights

[thick pagoda]

@slate arrow so all raid tiers are viable?

Wait wait

Don't answer that

[warped nest]

Ultimate raid is challenge mode

[slate arrow]

yes, since you have to do the first tier to get BiS for Ultimate

But generally raiding is for bragging rights yeah

[warped nest]

Savage raid is the more "proper" endgame

[thick pagoda]

Wait so how long has shadowbringers been out?

[slate arrow]

a little less than a year

[warped nest]

6 months?

[slate arrow]

actually wait

[thick pagoda]

How long go expacs last?

[slate arrow]

two years

[warped nest]

2 years

We get a big patch every 3-4 months

[fresh lodge]

!expansion

[zinc orbit]

Tick, Tock, Kupo!

Time Since Shadowbringers Launched: 283 Days, 22 Hours, 5 Minutes, 5 Seconds

[thick pagoda]

Oh so this is still a new asf expac so still lots of content to come?

[slate arrow]

yep

[thick pagoda]

Poggers okay then what am I worried about megalul

[slate arrow]

still one more tier, relic weapon grind, a possible suprise from the devs, and one more ultimate with 5.5 (later)

[warped nest]

There are always new endgame to chase

Don't rush the story to chase the current endgame

[thick pagoda]

So like rn in wow there's dailies, lvling your cloak by doing another piece of content, doing dungeons that increase is Difficultly, Is there smth like that in ff14?

[slate arrow]

daily roulettes

beast tribe quests

there's no difficulty increases for dungeons generally

[granite wolf]

If you're a new wow refugee, you'll be surprised at how nice the ff14 community is in game too

[thick pagoda]

O

[slate arrow]

at most they'll take an old dungeon and put hard mode on it to "remix" it

[granite wolf]

It's very refreshing

[slate arrow]

but there's no difficulties on dungeons

[thick pagoda]

Well my friend wants to get into the game and I whated to at one point

[warped nest]

Daily roulette queue you up with other players who needed help, in return you get a very nice chunk of bonus exp. Sometimes you will be synced down to help out very new players with their low level dungeons too.

[slate arrow]

*usually

not sometimes

[warped nest]

This is also how you will be getting party members when you do your dungeons

[slate arrow]

it's rare you get a dungeon at your level in roulette

[thick pagoda]

So like

Besides raids

What's the main bulk content

?

[slate arrow]

story

MSQ

[granite wolf]

Crafting

[wispy shard]

Lots of story

[granite wolf]

Pvp

[slate arrow]

leveling alternate jobs

doing old raid questlines

[warped nest]

Making Glamour, farming mounts

[granite wolf]

Leveling crafting and gathering

[thick pagoda]

So not much

[hoary storm]

GLAMOUR IS ENDGAME

[warped nest]

Some people do Deep Dungeon

[slate arrow]

roguelike dungeon crawler

[warped nest]

I just want to say this one thing

You don't have to be ON XIV 24/7

[wispy shard]

There's "not much" if you're looking specifically for a replica of M+ Dungeon running.

[warped nest]

If you finish the story and want to play something else

[slate arrow]

Yoshi-P have said that it's okay to unsub

[warped nest]

Do that

[wispy shard]

There's a ton of content if you're open to doing anything other than M+ Dungeon running

[slate arrow]

most of the casual players only sub for the patch for the story

[warped nest]

The game will give you ways to catch up to the latest endgame

[thick pagoda]

Fair

[granite wolf]

Best thing is the free trial and try it

[warped nest]

Myst did that

[wispy shard]

^

[thick pagoda]

I think I'm putting wat to many comparisons between wow and ff14

[warped nest]

That's fair

You are a Wow player

[hoary storm]

If you play at a reasonable pace and enjoy story it will take you a few months to reach endgame tbh

[wispy shard]

Free Trial is very fair. Level 35 max on every job. Gets you pretty far into the ARR story

[warped nest]

It is easier for you to understand XIV by comparing it with WoW

[granite wolf]

You can play with a controller

[warped nest]

XIV is fantastic with controller

[granite wolf]

So you can be lazy af

[wispy shard]

As someone who came from WoW, I can at least relate. FFXIV is in a lot of ways similar, and in a lot of ways a very, very different game

[warped nest]

Yes, people have raid with controller

[granite wolf]

I play laying in bed

[warped nest]

In case you were wondering

[wispy shard]

Also Controller is such a fantastic experience. Makes the game feel like an adventure game

[thick pagoda]

Well like again wow isn't like a story game where ff14 is and I'm thinking of M+ CONTENT

[granite wolf]

Its comfy

[mortal nebula]

Did minions used to attack or something?

[slate arrow]

no

[warped nest]

They are pets

[granite wolf]

Theres nothing like m+ in 14

[slate arrow]

minions have and are always been cosmetic

[warped nest]

Do you ask your cat to attack your neighbors?

[cobalt pagoda]

I play if with an controller cuz I really don’t like tab-targeting

[slate arrow]

however, you can use minions to fight in a Gold Saucer minigame

[wispy shard]

Played with a controller for so long I forgot how to craft a rotation with MKB...

[thick pagoda]

Is there PvP?

[wispy shard]

Yes.

[thick pagoda]

POG

[slate arrow]

That's the Lord of Verminion stat page

[mortal nebula]

That's why i ask, just looking through guides

[thick pagoda]

Sign me up

[fresh lodge]

Thats for Lords of Verminion

[slate arrow]

ahaha

PvP isn't

[fresh lodge]

Which is a mini game

[slate arrow]

PvP is a minigame, essentially

[obsidian patio]

PVP is a side-focus

[thick pagoda]

Ew

:<

[wispy shard]

"PVP is a side-focus" is not unfamiliar to a WoW player though, lol

[slate arrow]

they tried balancing kits in PvP back in heavensward

it was a mess

so they revamped it in stormblood

it's still a mess but not as messy

[thick pagoda]

Okay serious question

Sorry I'm addressing table

So lots of people use pvp in wow as their main content and don't even do pve content. Is pvp in ff14 similar?

[wispy shard]

I have not played far enough into the game to answer with any authority, but to my understanding, no.

[little walrus]

not rly

[obsidian patio]

you still need to level to 30 to unlock PVP, but yeah you can do that.

[slate arrow]

PvP gear doesn't even give stats since everything is normalized in it nowdays

[little walrus]

@thick pagoda former (read: burned out) 5 time gladiator here. PVP in FF isn't anything like wow and not rly a focus of the devs like you might be hoping

[slate arrow]

While there are competitive PvP players since there are PvP seasons with rewards it's definitely not a main thing

[little walrus]

the biggest issue is there isnt rly a competitive scene (that i have found) and NOTHING like arena combat

[slate arrow]

iirc most PvP matches in high level play are fixed by groups of people to maximize rewards fwiw

[thick pagoda]

Awww

[wispy shard]

But there really is a tremendous amount of stuff to do in this game. Especially if you come at it with fresh eyes, rather than "is this like WoW".

[little walrus]

^^^^

[slate arrow]

^^^^^^^

[thick pagoda]

I'm sorry:<

[wispy shard]

I've... apparently spent the last 54 hours of playtime just crafting and gathering. And loved it, because it's not like "click button, craft good".

There's crafting rotations, gear to increase your efficacy, the ability to create high-quality stuff...

[slate arrow]

i've managed to put in nearly 2k hours and i've yet to hit my one year mark

noIdon'thaveaproblemiswear

[thick pagoda]

Me @wow

[little walrus]

lol @wispy shard im in the same boat as u man. spent past few weeks doing almost nothing but crafting and gathering, its so interesting

[wispy dust]

yAY!!!

[thick pagoda]

Okay so how about Gil making?

[obsidian patio]

looks at my own playtime
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/594875567099346954/696493974235381850/image1.jpg
👀

[slate arrow]

lmao

[wispy shard]

Yeah, I started a new character because I rushed the MSQ and hated feeling rushed. I... uh... my Miner was higher than any combat class for days...

[little walrus]

myst are u familiar with the goblin discord in wow?

[thick pagoda]

Is THAT viable? Just getting a ton of money for no reason?

[little walrus]

because people in this game are not nearly as careful with their money

[thick pagoda]

@little walrus I am not

[slate arrow]

gil making i'd consider side content because generally people pay out the ass for the latest glamours

but generally you need crafters leveled for it

[warped nest]

You need Gil to buy pretty stuff

[little walrus]

if you are interested in manipulating markets and making money you can do it in this game

[warped nest]

Stuff like this

[thick pagoda]

👀 👀 👀 👀

[warped nest]

!itemglam seeing horde guillotine

[zinc orbit]

**Seeing Horde Guillotine** **:** Dark Knight's Arm

Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape.

[hoary storm]

Like I said GLAMOUR IS THE REAL ENDGAME

[warped nest]

I think that cost like 7 mils on release

[thick pagoda]

Getting stacked off transmog sounds like a gamer moment to me

[slate arrow]

also, there's no transmog log

sadly

[little walrus]

glamour = transmog, and yeah... people will pay absurd amounts

[thick pagoda]

Wait

[warped nest]

It is the only thing that matters in XIV

[echo tapir]

you can make money if you get serious about exploiting everyone when a major patch comes out, and there's stuff to craft. stuff to prep.

[little walrus]

ive made small amounts just flipping markets

[thick pagoda]

You're telling me

[echo tapir]

we have crafted gear to make to jump into raids

[thick pagoda]

That I have to EQUIP the gear I want to look like instead of just altering the appearance?

[slate arrow]

no

there's transmogs

just no transmog log

[warped nest]

You can alter appearance

[little walrus]

@thick pagoda glamour = transmogs

[thick pagoda]

Oh so it's not as barbaric

Okay what's a transmog log?

[wispy shard]

The Collections Tab in WoW

[thick pagoda]

Ah okay

[echo tapir]

in WoW you have a whole pane that shows you transmog

[wispy shard]

to show you what you've collected or not

[echo tapir]

here you dont

[warped nest]

But I am told that XIV glamour is not as well done as WoW transmog

[echo tapir]

yea it's not but

it's still fine

[wispy shard]

It's a fair trade off, because the gear looks better in XIV than in WoW anyway

[little walrus]

@thick pagoda also crafters ARE a class... you BECOME a Blacksmith, your ability bar now has 30+ ABILITIES used to CRAFT gear. you dont go and "right click a few nodes" and "left click craft"

[echo tapir]

yea crafters in this game have a rotation.

[warped nest]

Yeah, I was just gonna said, XIV clothing choice is 👌

[wispy shard]

and gear!

[little walrus]

crafting in this game is NUTS and unlike anything ive ever seen

[thick pagoda]

Hm

[echo tapir]

we have macros for those who want easier time

because we can figure out what you need to do

there are also discords just for crafting, and a simulation client to figure out without wasting mats

[cobalt pagoda]

but you will need gathering

[echo tapir]

they also added expert crafting

ya

[little walrus]

this discord is 🔥 with this downtime 😂

[warped nest]

Crafting in XIV requires you to spend CP (crafter mana, this is refresh on every new attempt) on crafting skills to increase progress and/or quality

[thick pagoda]

O

Interesting

[warped nest]

Progress needs to go 100% to produce a finished producy

[wispy shard]

Gathering's enjoyable because it's also unlike WoW. Rather than click node, receive good, there's also some rotations, some gear, you get to pick what you get out of the node, etc

[warped nest]

Quality is needed to get HQ high quality items

[slate arrow]

and you need to increase quality to increase HQ chance because HQ gear has much higher stats than NQ gear

[cobalt pagoda]

there is also durability?

[slate arrow]

yes

[warped nest]

Yes

[wispy shard]

You can repair your own gear when you've leveled crafter classes!

[warped nest]

While making sure you don't break your materials

[cobalt pagoda]

forgot how to works in crafting

[slate arrow]

so it's juggling your points, durability, and progress while raising quality

[wispy shard]

It's such a small thing, but I was so stoked to discover that

[little walrus]

@thick pagoda give the trial a shot tbh, if you just keep in mind this game is more of a story-focused adventure with a metric boat load of content to do. also nothing ever really becomes old, every dungeon (literally every dungeon) scales you and your abilities down to level

[slate arrow]

repairs are so good

[little walrus]

and not in a broken, time-walking fashion

[echo tapir]

even for gathering you have to pay attention to alarms, if you want "timed nodes"

people use https://ffxivteamcraft.com/ or https://garlandtools.org/bell/

for alarms

and general looking up shit

teamcraft is useful caus that's the simulation crafter

cause maybe you're leveling and you're just not sure and you dont wanna buy shit

if you're max level crafter you dont have to simulate anymore, you just do it with macro lmao

[slate arrow]

unless you get fucked over by a badly timed excellent proc lmao

[echo tapir]

IF your gear is good enough and you hit the BiS crafting gear

yea

[little walrus]

macro that gets excellent on the great strides BEFORE your byregots blessing 😿 😿 😿

[glad field]

Hello, new player here, how do i become a DRK (i saw him in the trailer and he look cool af)

[little walrus]

reach level 50, and the HW story. it is in Ishgard
go to the Brume and look for a man in dark armor on the ground with the quest

[glad field]

thank u

[cobalt pagoda]

you need to finish A Realm Reborn then go through some more quest between ARR and Heavensword

[obsidian patio]

not exactly. DRK's unlock quest isn't from Fray right away

!faq hwjobs

[zinc orbit]

Heavensward Jobs and How to Unlock Them

Info

Heavensward Expansion Jobs: Dark Knight (Tank), Astrologian (Healer), and Machinist (Ranged DPS). These jobs start at level 30 and require ownership of the Heavensward Expansion and the completion of the level 50 main scenario quest "Before the Dawn".

Job Unlock Locations:
Dark Knight - Ishgardian Citizen at The Pillars (13,9), quest name is "Our End".
Astrologian - Jannequinard at The Pillars (15,10), quest name is "Stairway to the Heavens".
Machinist - Stephanivien at Foundation (8,10), quest name is "Savior of Skysteel".

[glad field]

does it take long for me to reach HW story?

[little walrus]

depends on where you are at. HW is the first expansion, so it can take some time

[echo tapir]

depends on you

[glad field]

Im on Ul'Dah

[young fjord]

[echo tapir]

somebody here quested for 3 days straight

because he too wanted to be a drk

[little walrus]

assuming that, you are likely close to 15-20

[glad field]

im 8 (started yesterday)

[slate arrow]

add an hour and that's about the amount of time you're looking at

[little walrus]

so yes, it may take some time, you need to complete the A Realm Reborn story first to access Heavensward

[glad field]

should i do most of the side quest on Ul'Dah or focus on MSQ

[cobalt pagoda]

focuse on MSQ

[young fjord]

Focus on MSQ

[slate arrow]

focus on MSQ

[little walrus]

i personally would suggest focusing MSQ and to unlock content (mounts, dungeons etc)

skip

[glad field]

and return later for side quests?

[cobalt pagoda]

if you wish

[glad field]

isn't the XP and Gil worth the trouble?

[young fjord]

XP is not "that" good from side quests compared to other methods

[little walrus]

not really. quest XP is kind of bad compared to things like duty roullete (which you will unlock later)

[glad field]

(generally when i play MMOs i try to do most of them for more Xp and gold)

[slate arrow]

sidequest rewards are generally laughable

[cobalt pagoda]

the MSQ exp and the dungeons will give you enough to lvl up

[slate arrow]

except in shadowbringers where they give you decent leveling gear if you need it

[echo tapir]

yea the stormblood expansion has a lot of sidequests i have ignored too

[little walrus]

are 99% actual literal side stories, some may reward gear however, which if you are struggling to find specific pieces may help

[glad field]

okay so forget completely about SQ

[echo tapir]

those things are like understanding the world and its people, it's not essential

just little amusements

[glad field]

some quest icons are red with a cross (like this but red)

[young fjord]

Back in 2.0 Sidequests where good source of money and xp, since then devs have uppdated exp and money gain from other activities which render pretty much useless

[glad field]

what are those

[young fjord]

Means that this quest unlock something

Like a dungeon or emote

[glad field]

and if its red?

[young fjord]

You are to low level

[cobalt pagoda]

you will need to compleat something to acces that quest

[glad field]

oh good

[cobalt pagoda]

either low lvl or some other thing

[halcyon rune]

You are probably seen the quests for unlocking Red Mage and Samurai, which require lv 50.

[cobalt pagoda]

mostly low lvl

[glad field]

tbh im playing the free trial for now, im thinking of buying it in a couple of days

[echo tapir]

when you get to level 20, the game will start to help get you a mount.

[cobalt pagoda]

take your time

[young fjord]

It can also be a class restriction if the quest is red, IE you can't take this quest as current class

[cobalt pagoda]

also reach max level in the trial 35 on any job

[halcyon rune]

Play the trial as much as you want, it's a VERY generous trial.

Its roughly half the story form ARR.

[glad field]

can i buy a code and use it later? (from the SE store)?

[slate arrow]

yes

just make sure it's the right region

[young fjord]

^

[slate arrow]

and it's the starter or complete edition

do not buy shadowbringers by itself

[halcyon rune]

Wait until you hit the level wall tho.

[glad field]

ill buy the complete edition for 20 euro

[zinc orbit]

Automated Message: A Friendly Moogle Reminder

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[glad field]

in the SE store

and ill use the code when im done with the Trial

right?

[young fjord]

👍

[cobalt pagoda]

you can buy the game after you finish the trial

is it on discount now?

[glad field]

ill buy it in a couple of days cause its 50% off

[halcyon rune]

You still have a LOT of trial ahead, take your time.

[glad field]

from 40 -> 20

[cobalt pagoda]

I see

👍

[young fjord]

20€ is super worth it from base game and all expansions

[glad field]

and ill keep the code for when im done with the trial

[young fjord]

Once you apply code you also get 30days game time

[glad field]

yeah i know

20€ is super worth it from base game and all expansions
@young fjord

[young fjord]

Which is why you should wait to apply it until you hit wall

As free trial have unlimited gametime

After you apply code you can not go back to free trial

[glad field]

yeah yeah

[cobalt pagoda]

unless you make a new acc

[glad field]

i don't think so

[cobalt pagoda]

good, and have fun

[glad field]

thank you guys ❤️

[halcyon rune]

Also an important detail on how XIV works different than other MMOs: XIV focuses more on the jRPG aspect than the MMO one.

It's main focus is the single player story.

[boreal aurora]

how do i make a ff14 account so its connected to my steam?

[young fjord]

You need to make a Square Enix Account

https://secure.square-enix.com/oauth/oa/oauthlogin?response_type=code&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fsecure.square-enix.com%2Faccount%2Fapp%2Fsvc%2Ftop%3Frequest%3Dmogstation&client_id=ffxiv_mog&facflg=1

You don't use your steam account to manage/login and play the game

You use a square enix account

If you bought the game of steam you simple use steam to launch the game client

Log into steam>Launch FFXIV>Use Square Enix account to log into FFXIV>Play game

[boreal aurora]

can i pay through steam tho

[obsidian patio]

you can use the steam wallet, yeah

[glad field]

@boreal aurora after some reading i learned that it is better to buy it on the SE store cause you can get it a looot cheaper (now its 20 dollars with all expans)

[halcyon rune]

Bear in mind, the STEAM PC VERSION and the SE PAGE PC VERSION are not the same.
They are in a literal sense, but not on a technical one.

[glad field]

but same servers, right?

[young fjord]

Yeah, same servers

[halcyon rune]

Yeah, fully cross platform, even on PS4

And soonish XBOX One.

[glad field]

so its about money... Steam -> Expensive & SE Store -> Cheaper

[halcyon rune]

Not necessarily? Depends on region.

For me Steam is cheaper.

[young fjord]

IMO I have only heard bad things from buying on steam, like account management, how when they get problems and ask square enix they like "naa fam, ask steam".

I have the SE client so I can't really say but it's what I have heard

[halcyon rune]

I'd recommend the same, avoid Steam if possible.

[glad field]

Important piece of trivia: FFXIV Complete Edition is 20 Euros on SE Store right now

[halcyon rune]

It's not that bad, bit requires an extra step for everything.

[glad field]

im buying that in a couple of days

https://store.eu.square-enix-games.com/en_EU/product/565219/final-fantasy-xiv-online-complete-edition-pc-download

[proud willow]

That will work fine with the PC Trial, but not the Steam trial

[boreal aurora]

i need to make a service account

but i dont have a cd key

how do i play the trial

[young fjord]

On steam

[proud willow]

There shouldn't be any step in account creation that requires a CD key

[young fjord]

On SE client

https://freetrial.finalfantasyxiv.com/gb/

[boreal aurora]

https://i.imgur.com/GfkJnAi.png

[thick pagoda]

so is tanking anything like in wow>

[young fjord]

Not quite

[glad field]

Question: who is that cool dude from the Shadowbringers trailer?

[thick pagoda]

squall

but not really cause idk

[boreal aurora]

i made account but when i try to login ingame it says i need a service account

[obsidian patio]

No. That's the stand-in for our character.

[glad field]

the dude fighting the angel thing?

[thick pagoda]

o

[obsidian patio]

yes

[glad field]

we are cool then

[thick pagoda]

@glad field oh hoho dio

[glad field]

Jotaro

[obsidian patio]

@boreal aurora Did you make sure to download the trial launcher?

[young fjord]

Tanking is FFXIV is more planning, Tanking in WoW is more reaction

[boreal aurora]

https://i.imgur.com/Gi4CLqy.png

[thick pagoda]

are you going to stand tere and not run away?

[obsidian patio]

#not-ffxiv-discussion

[thick pagoda]

@young fjord oooo fun

so like how does threat work?

[boreal aurora]

yes i installed trial on steam

[young fjord]

In this game threat is called enmity

[obsidian patio]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/wiki/enmity

[young fjord]

Basicly one point of damage is one point of enimty, highest enmity gets aggro.

Tanks have abillities which boost this enmity generation

Heals it total heal/2=enimty

or something like that

[thick pagoda]

Gotcha, is there a taunt like ability?

[young fjord]

One thing to keep in mind is that FFXIV version of taunt is not actually a taunt, but it's provoke.

[oak ice]

!action provoke

[zinc orbit]

**Provoke** : lvl 15 GLA MRD PLD WAR DRK GNB (30.0 second cooldown)

Gesture threateningly, placing yourself at the top of a target's enmity list while gaining additional enmity.

Powered by XIVAPI

[young fjord]

In WoW taunt force the enemy to attack you, provoke does not force enemy to attack you it simply puts you on the top the of enimty list

[boreal aurora]

how to play trial

[halcyon rune]

I think he means aggro management. In XIV currently there's no need for dps to reduce their aggro as tanks generate so much you are free to go full ham on the deeps.

[obsidian patio]

@boreal aurora try checking your email for an account confirmation link from SE

[warped pawn]

we used to have aggro management but they got rid of that with the latest expansion

[thick pagoda]

i see i see

[young fjord]

One major difference in dungeon tanking compared to WoW is that in FFXIV we don't chain pull mobs, we wall to wall pull them.

We don't pull 2 packs, wait for a bit, then pull more.

We pull everything

[obsidian patio]

Yeah, aggro management is entirely on the tanks now.

In most situations the DPS should never be able to out-aggro the tanks unless they just aren't trying

[halcyon rune]

But in current content dps checks are tighter.

[boreal aurora]

Thank you for registering your Square Enix account.
This email was automatically sent from Square Enix Account Management to notify you that your Square Enix account registration has been completed.

[young fjord]

A lot of DPS classes have a ramp up time in thier damage, so doing many small pulls is generaly not recomended

[thick pagoda]

i see

so theres no mass pulling just pack to pack?

[halcyon rune]

But first, ASK your healer if they are comfortable with big pulls.

[warped pawn]

vice versa

[young fjord]

experienced tanks pull as much as they can

Doing one pack at a time is not something experienced players does unless they are forced to due to dungeon layout or something

[halcyon rune]

And be sure to use your mitigation. Their CD aren't long.

[warped pawn]

you pull everything all at once and use your damage mitigation cooldowns and debuffs on enemies

of course this depends on as was said having a healer that can handle decently sized pulls

[young fjord]

Yeah, a new healer might panic and just let you die

[obsidian patio]

@boreal aurora Not quite sure then. :\

I remember you having an account before, what happened to that one?

[warped pawn]

and (only sometimes important, but) having dps that do their job properly

[young fjord]

In this game you can see who the new players are as they will have a sprout icon next to thier name

[thick pagoda]

ah okay cool

cause id prefer to heal/tank

[young fjord]

Do keep in mind that you are free to swap class/job at anytime

As we can be everything on one character

[warped pawn]

other thing to keep in mind is that all classes are fundamentally designed around still doing damage

there's no pure roles in this game

[young fjord]

Yeah

Healers should use thier DPS abilities when they don't need to heal

They should not just stand AFK

[boreal aurora]

nvm i figured it out

[thick pagoda]

well yeah

[warped pawn]

everyone's goal is to do as much damage as possible while still keeping everyone alive, essentially

[thick pagoda]

thats generally how it goes

[hoary storm]

Not everyone realizes that

[young fjord]

The White Mage, pretty much a holy priest, have amogst the best burst damage AoE in the game in dungeons

[warped pawn]

some people neglect this, though unfortunately which is why i bring it up

[halcyon rune]

Healer rotations are basically Classic WoW frost Mage with heals in between lol

[thick pagoda]

you mean disc priest>

LMFAO

[young fjord]

Unless someone is undergeard, correct mitigation useage from the tank with little support from healer in form of a HoT or shield is normaly enough to keep them alive on 87% of the pulls

[thick pagoda]

classic wow frost mage

[halcyon rune]

Scholar is the Disc priest here

[thick pagoda]

oh yes ofc

[halcyon rune]

With a healing pet added

[thick pagoda]

i wanna roll an astrologian

[halcyon rune]

Astro is an enhancement shaman kinda

[thick pagoda]

POGGERS I MAIN ENH SHAMMY

[young fjord]

Astro is a healer, Ech shammy is dps

[thick pagoda]

ik

[halcyon rune]

Dancer then?

[thick pagoda]

i play resto and eh shaman omegalul

[hoary storm]

what did yoy say about my SCH?

[young fjord]

I would compare Dancer to a Demon Hunter, both high mobility with simple rotation/priority

[warped pawn]

astro used to give some fun buffs, but they removed it and now it just gives damage buffs to people depending on cards they draw (and your personal choice)

[halcyon rune]

I miss those, but understand why they changed it.

[warped pawn]

it's still incredibly powerful

[thick pagoda]

ever since i started doing ff14 resaerch

ive wanted to roll an astro

[warped pawn]

good astros are able to solo heal a bunch of the content in the game to boot

[halcyon rune]

Astro us hardish to play tho

[young fjord]

Astro have a lot of strong tools

The only thing they really lack is mana regen outside of a buff all healers get

[warped pawn]

it's I suppose id word it as busy

[young fjord]

You can't

Alphinaud is unique model

[hoary storm]

Thing about 14 before you start, you think you know what you want to play but when you actually play you end up doing multiple jobs

[halcyon rune]

You could make a shortish eleven and give it youngish features?

Elezen*

[hoary storm]

Mods can do that

[boreal aurora]

where is option to pay with steam i dont see it

[thick pagoda]

wait

[halcyon rune]

Did you buy the game on Steam or the SE page?

[thick pagoda]

you can have mods in ff14??

[obsidian patio]

They're in a grey area.

[halcyon rune]

You can but the devs don't approve.

[boreal aurora]

i think i cant see it cuz i have trial account

[thick pagoda]

ah

[boreal aurora]

just wanted to make sure its a steam account

[obsidian patio]

As long as you don't talk about them in-game or use them to harass others they're fine.

[thick pagoda]

so like

[halcyon rune]

They also hate dps meters

[obsidian patio]

DPS meters are still fine to use...

Under the 'rules' I just stated.

[thick pagoda]

i like to use a wow addon that changes my entire ui to be cleaner and easier to use and dps/hps meters

oh, why?

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[halcyon rune]

You can customize the ui a lot, give it a spin.

[warped pawn]

you likely wont need a UI mod

[halcyon rune]

No need for mods.

[thick pagoda]

oh you can customize it using the in game systems?

[warped pawn]

yep!

[thick pagoda]

oh cool!

[faint flare]

System > hud editor

[thick pagoda]

sweeeet

[halcyon rune]

You can move and change their sizes and have presets.

[thick pagoda]

cause like i like to have my hp/resource bar on my right of my cahracter anf the enemies on my left

[young fjord]

Entire hus is cuztomizable

[thick pagoda]

owo

okay but another question

what about mouseover macros?

[halcyon rune]

There's nothing you can't move iirc

[faint flare]

Macros are

Not as good

Here

[warped pawn]

mouseover macros are still okay to use

[obsidian patio]

combat macros aren't great to use often

!faq macrogcd

[faint flare]

Always gonns be unoptimal

[zinc orbit]

Why You Shouldn't Macro GCDs

Info

https://twitter.com/krk969/status/1128330814339424262?s=21

[thick pagoda]

oh right right

[fresh lodge]

Mouseover macros are fine in certain cases

[thick pagoda]

the gcd is weird ]

well like i mouseover macro my healing abilities

[obsidian patio]

Macros have an inherent delay to them that can't be removed.

[warped pawn]

thats a big no no here unfortunately

[obsidian patio]

and they can only work in whole seconds

[thick pagoda]

wow weird

why?

[fresh lodge]

Eh

[young fjord]

The only combat macro which really could be used it targeting macros, IE target party memeber, Cast ability.

Even so it's just with certain abilities

[fresh lodge]

I've used mouseover macros for healing in raids and its fine

[boreal aurora]

steam shadowbringers doesnt have discount anymore

[warped pawn]

ive gotten some close wipes from people who say "its fine" and then their macro delays / goes off on the wrong person

[thick pagoda]

oof

[warped pawn]

but everyone has different experiences

[boreal aurora]

when discount again on steam

[warped pawn]

there's hotkeys for each player to target based on a numbered list you can sort a bit

[boreal aurora]

[obsidian patio]

🤷‍♂️

[thick pagoda]

ik mousovers make my life so much easier in wow cause i dont have to click to target alli cause wow doesnt have a tab target for allys

but i keep forgetting this isnt a "high push the hardest content as efficiently as possible" game

[prime harbor]

Hello, which server are considered mainly EU English speaking servers?

[oak ice]

All of them except Moogle and Shiva

[thick pagoda]

so whats the least popular tank?

[halcyon rune]

Currently Warrior?

[young fjord]

Currently in my experience it's Warrior

[halcyon rune]

They all good tho

[obsidian patio]

Tank balance is super even right now, though.

Damage difference between top/bottom is 2-4% and they all have similar mitigation tools for the most part.

[halcyon rune]

Gunbreaker is the funniest so far.

[oak ice]

Paladin>Dark Knight>Gunbreaker>Warrior in amount of savage clears

[young fjord]

TL:DR tanks

Paladin: Two separate rotation you swap between, Team support
Dark knight: Resource management, Personal defense
Warrior: Generate and spender, self heals
Gunbreaker: Strong burst windows, plays like a DPS

[little walrus]

@white sinew other MMOs sound like ARPG MMOs, this game isnt and is what is considered a "target based" combat style

[thick pagoda]

why are warriors so unpopular rn?

[obsidian patio]

Both it and Dark Knight have pretty simple rotations

[little walrus]

@white sinew you could bind it to hotkeys like arrow keys on KB

[oak ice]

Hold down left click

[little walrus]

but if you want to aim the camera as you would in something like TERA or Wildstar, its not possible

[faint flare]

Warrior is just....boring to alot of people

It didn't really gey many new things in the expansion

[thick pagoda]

hmm i see i see. lemme guess its also the "easiest" tank?

[little walrus]

The combat in this game is based on selecting a target and using abilities on your target, generally mouse-controled combat games will use "cone infront of player" type targeting

[faint flare]

Next to dark knight yes

[halcyon rune]

Easiest is oally I'd say

Pally*

[oak ice]

Pretty much, only difficulty comes in maintaining buffs and having enough gauge

[thick pagoda]

i see isee

[halcyon rune]

Warrior is good but not flashy compared to the others.

[thick pagoda]

dk looks really fun ngl

with the whole double stance thing

[faint flare]

Doesn't exist

Anymore

[halcyon rune]

But them guaranteed crits tho.

[little walrus]

thats old @thick pagoda

[thick pagoda]

?????

WHAT

[little walrus]

what video are u watching lul

[faint flare]

They removed dps stancea

[oak ice]

They have a JoJo stand now

[thick pagoda]

IM SO SAD THATS WHAT MADE ME THINK IT WAS SO COOL IM SO SAD NOW

wait

they have a stand now???

[faint flare]

And removed the damage reduction on tank stancea

[oak ice]

Yep

[halcyon rune]

Lv 80 ability

[thick pagoda]

sign me righ the heck up then

[oak ice]

!action living shadow

[zinc orbit]

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Simulacrum Attack Potency: 300
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[thick pagoda]

i loce this

love*

[halcyon rune]

Watch the Job Actions trailer.

[faint flare]

^

Its showed there

[thick pagoda]

ive been watching uh

[young fjord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaGxC7wnBDo

[thick pagoda]

whats his name

[halcyon rune]

Larry?

[little walrus]

larryzaur hasnt done current-patch videos

[halcyon rune]

Its outdated lol

[thick pagoda]

despirus

[faint flare]

Anything before Shadowbringers release date is outdated

[little walrus]

desp has, but you must be looking at old content

[halcyon rune]

They removed stance dancing in Shadowbringers.

[thick pagoda]

i watched a 2 y/o vido but thamriyell

so thats prolly it

god im so sad. but at least they get a stand waht in the world

[halcyon rune]

It was cumbersome to deal with.

[thick pagoda]

oh?

[oak ice]

It really was just about maximizing burst aggro and then switch to DPS stance and hope your DPSes had a brain big enough to handle clicking Diversion

[faint flare]

And caused arguments between people

Cause you know, casuals are bad at the game

[halcyon rune]

You still kinda have to toggle it on and off for high end content, to deal with swaps.

[thick pagoda]

dragoon also looks really fun

[young fjord]

Dragoon is lower personal dps, but very strong party buffs

[thick pagoda]

poggers, support dps sign me up

[little needle]

and less stressful too

[thick pagoda]

whats the least popular dps?

[little needle]

you glide through boss fights

[halcyon rune]

Dancer is the defacto support dps.

[little needle]

on the floor

[thick pagoda]

red mage looks cool too

[little walrus]

red mage is prob least popular for HC players

most popular for casual players

[young fjord]

What I see the least amount of people play is Monk

[oak ice]

Monk according to savage clears

[little walrus]

its rotation is mind numbingly simple

[thick pagoda]

ew

[halcyon rune]

Red is lowest damage of casters, but highest utility

[young fjord]

Red mage got infinate instant cast battle rez

[granite night]

but who cares about damage per second when you are the rezmage

[oak ice]

Parses on the right is amount of clears

[granite night]

and you look cool as fuck doing it

[little walrus]

red mage is parsing #1 for style :^)

[thick pagoda]

TRUE KAELAS

[young fjord]

However, comeing from WoW, playing Monk is really fun imo

[thick pagoda]

fair fair

[young fjord]

As they have a lot of positionals