since that's the completed msq tab
#questions-and-help
left moth
leaden ginkgo
@left snow if you care nothing for story, i'm sorry, but maybe this isn't the game for you
left moth
Seenoc: I asked them to interact with the npc who normally gives the unlock quest
leaden ginkgo
i know everyone hates hearing that about anything but uh, it's true
barren galleon
@left moth I don't see a side quest tab, the first image i sent was the ongoing quests
@forest laurel Yep
leaden ginkgo
are you talking to the right person to actually start the quest
it's not the person who lets you into potd
leaden ginkgo
iirc the person who starts the quest is near that giant hole near where the person who lets you into potd is
barren galleon
silent pike
barren galleon
And I completed it, it says
leaden ginkgo
oh wait he's in the town, hm
ah that's right he directs you to an npc near that hole
left moth
then should be able to queue up to potd in quarrymill if it's complete
leaden ginkgo
and then that npc directs you to the guy who lets you in
barren galleon
Is potd part of Real reborn...?
leaden ginkgo
no
left moth
no it's not related to relic
leaden ginkgo
it's in an arr area but it was released with heavensward afaik
hoh is in a heavensward area but was released with stormblood
funny
barren galleon
Ah... Now I see the issue...
leaden ginkgo
nah
barren galleon
I don;t have dlc TT
barren galleon
Then, where did I go wrong?
leaden ginkgo
however if you're on the trial you can only go down to dungeon level 10
barren galleon
I still don't see why I don't have access to it though
leaden ginkgo
Are you guys still having the lobby server error?
is there a Wood Wailer Expeditionary Captain in quarrymill?
you may have already done it somehow
there's probably players crowded around him, hard to miss
left moth
do you get this menu when talking to this npc?
left moth
location, ( 25.2 , 20.6 ) rigth next to the bridge
barren galleon
I'll try go find him
@left moth no I never seen that menu before lol
Oh... So... I have it unlocked?? /
wintry chasm
Yes
barren galleon
Sorry for the trouble T_T
jaunty crescent
So what do I need for unlocking all the gathering stuff for 60? is it just folklore books I need
wintry chasm
Pretty much Tooca
barren galleon
I was recommended it my other classes/jobs I want to level
jaunty crescent
why are there "regional folklore" tokens btw when it says I need blue gatherer's scrip tokens for the folklore books
obsidian patio
Those tokens are for other expansion books
left moth
tooca: yeah (it used to be a convulted system of books and vouchers but now it's just a lot of yellow scrip for the books) tokens are sold in idleshyre at the scrip counter
jaunty crescent
so stormblood and shadowbringers wynne?
left moth
each expansion's tokens and gathering books are in each end hub (idyllshire for HW, rhgars reach for SB). crafting books are almost everywhere
wintry chasm
@barren galleon Spamming floors 51-60 is pretty good for DPS since Palace of the Dead doesn't have role restrictions for your party (1 tank, 2 healer, 2 DPS) that normal dungeons have so DPS can queue in faster. If you have a friend you can queue fast with then spamming dungeons is faster. Palace of the Dead is also boring after a while tbh
obsidian patio
Yep
jaunty crescent
but there's nothing else I should get for heavensward stuff than the folklore books?
wintry chasm
there isn't one MZNG
oak ice
You can unlock potd at level 17, but then you can enter from level 1
barren galleon
Awesome!
wintry chasm
The only thing that kinda sucks is if you go in as a class you don't get your job skills as you level up inside Palace of the dead
unreal badge
what materia do WHM and BRD typically use?
barren galleon
That's unfortunate đŚ
wintry chasm
but Palace of the Dead is pretty easy so it doesn't matter
obsidian oracle
Also doing your daily Frontlines is also another good way for exp
barren galleon
potd says queuing for floor 1-10
wintry chasm
doing your roulettes is something you should be doing anyway
Yeah you got to get up the floors first MZNG
That's the slowest part
!faq balance
zinc orbitBOT
unreal badge
TY
leaden ginkgo
@barren galleon deep dungeons do not even use your normal level or equipment
you start at character level 1 and are given unique equipment that powers up as you find special items
it's basically a minigame that just happens to use ff14 combat rules
heady bone
Nostalgia made me think my char looked better than it actually did and i think i wanna change the name... is there any way to transfer items that are marked as 'market prohibited' to an alt char?
If there is, would be cheaper just to move cosmetic items to new char
obsidian patio
The most convenient way of giving tradeable items to an alt character is using a free company chest
remote lintel
can you talk in linkshells in dungeons
obsidian patio
Yes
left snow
what class should I play if I want to go SAM at 50?
obsidian patio
I would personally recommend any melee DPS to get more used to doing positionals
but yeah, any class can unlock samurai
mossy current
They give you some gear anyway, but Monk is what I've seen some people go for until SAM
shrewd relic
Is it hard to get Soot Black Chocobo?
Does the chocobo color calculator work for it? I looked through threads on reddit and its hit or miss most of the time
obsidian patio
Chocobo color is still somewhat RNG
mortal nebula
How important are roulletes and daily things for a new person
obsidian patio
but if you keep following the calculator it will work eventually
shrewd relic
Ah I see okay ty
So lets say i use the correct combination and end up with like abyssal blue
I input abyssal blue -> soot black and use the formula then?
obsidian patio
Leveling, Alliance Raid, and Main Scenario roulettes are very good to do for the experience they give.
mortal nebula
Im level 25 and unsure if i should stay doing msqs or run dungeons and what not
obsidian patio
Yep, ritual
mortal nebula
How do i do alliance raids?
obsidian patio
Itâs at level 50, same for main scenario roulette
mortal nebula
Ah then yeah I guess I need to focus on msq and class quest lol. Are the leves worth doing daily?
zinc orbitBOT
obsidian patio
Not as a combat class. Theyâre much better for crafters and gatherers
shrewd relic
Would it be better to attempt to change to soot black from Lotus Pink? Or start from desert yellow?
obsidian patio
I would compare how much fruit both of those options want
shrewd relic
Starting from lotus pink requires more fruit
like twice as much
Im not sure how the it affects the rgb values though
obsidian patio
Iâd reset to yellow then
runic sluice
hey everyone, I had a question. It's been over a month playing this game and I'm loving it, but the FATE musics are really start to get under my skin. Is there any way to turn them off? I managed to turn the combat music but doesn't seem to affect FATES.
obsidian patio
Not sure if you can turn off only fate music, I know you can for general overworld combat.
runic sluice
@obsidian patio I'm fine with turning off all combat music
so long as it includes FATE
obsidian patio
It doesnât. :/
open coral
Dafuq just happened to the server icon and banner?
faint flare
April bois
oak ice
Happy Hallowynne
open coral
April isnât for another three and a half hours
raw solstice
it's april in GMT
leaden ginkgo
do u get more exp for turning in HQ foods in cul main quests? ik leves u do
i forgot srry
obsidian patio
Not for the class quests
leaden ginkgo
oh ok ty ^^ (also spooky XD)
oak ice
It will just ask if you really want to turn in hq
unreal badge
Is there a LFG channel on this discord?
obsidian patio
Not particularly. Most people just use Party finder for that. You can try your datacenterâs recruitment channel
leaden ginkgo
so which NA server is good to join as anew player? jus got the game
obsidian patio
Any are good. Preferred servers give an experience boost for all classes to level 70, and if you already bought the base game you get 14 free days of subscription when you hit level 30
leaden ginkgo
alright sounds good
obsidian patio
Yep
wintry chasm
@unreal badge it has a decently long time limit though
Tends to run out after 90 days
unreal badge
still
zinc orbitBOT
sweet osprey
Anyone having issue logging into Crystal Servers?
Myself and a friend arenât able to get into the servers
obsidian patio
NA datacenters seem to be having server issues last time I tried
leaden ginkgo
yea i tried to choose crystal but it crashed
sweet osprey
Weird SE hadnât said anything yet
dense meadow
but they have said something about chaos servers funny
even though chaos wasn't having problems...
sweet osprey
Yeah I saw that, hoping theyâll add more info about the other servers
jaunty ledge
ok so i tried looking it up, but i am confused on the further ruin buff for smn and when i get it
obsidian patio
You get it from using Egi Assault 1 and 2
jaunty ledge
oh its that simple? i was trying to read too deep into it
radiant brook
is there a website or something than can give you inspiration for glamour shows you how to get cool glamour?
left moth
yes when it's put into mogstation is when the 30 days (included) starts
it shouldn't have an expiration although would use it befoore one callender year is up
it's mostly the codes included with physical items (plushes, music, books) that have set expiration dates
fallow kayak
How do i fix error 5006?
jaunty crescent
any good website or something for hunt maps to have an easy way finding them?
obsidian patio
@fallow kayak NA datacenters in general are having server issues currently, nothing that we can really do
left moth
vancoor: other than trying again I don't know. I've seen that a couple times today (lobby internal error)
warped lintel
if I wanna play as DLC classes, do i have to finish the main story quest first?
obsidian patio
Only for the Heavensward jobs
Stormblood and Shadowbringers jobs just require being level 50/60 and owning the expansion
left moth
expansion jobs have level requirement mostly. heavensward ones (ast, mch, drk) need you to be able to physically access them in foundation (lv 50 + arr complete); stormblood ones are level 50 (npcs in Ul'dah) and stormblood ones are level 60 (unlock in limsa and gridania)
obsidian patio
Limited jobs are jobs that have a separate level cap and have restrictions such as being unable to queue up in the duty finder with random players
left moth
blue mage is more a challenge mode job. the limited part refers to the inability to play normally through duty finder (outside a pre-form party)
fallow kayak
I'm sad. I just wanted to play after work today...
leaden ginkgo
People still having lobby issues? I've been unable to login for like 5 hours now
fallow kayak
Any idea when theyll be up?
wooden hemlock
Yea it doesnt work
warped lintel
thanks yall for the answers!
obsidian patio
Cards should be fine, donât see why they wouldnât be.
unreal badge
what is that child-like laughter I hear in every city and how do I end--- I mean silence it?
obsidian patio
Sounds like other players using emotes
unreal badge
it's a very specific sound
hoary storm
Its prolly those evil lalafells plotting something
You can disable voice in sound setting but that will disable voices in cs too I think
split isle
is 5006 error ddos?
little walrus
@split isle its detecting that you are DDOS, use a vpn to log in
split isle
little walrus
was happening to me, PIA got around it no issue
split isle
Vpn didnt fix, rip lol
obsidian patio
Which duty?
severe night
The tam tara-deepcroft
obsidian patio
Just keep waiting
obsidian patio
You can also try enabling the âjoin in progressâ option in the duty finder
Which sometimes lets you join the dungeon partway through due to someone leaving or being kicked
severe night
I will do that
fallow kernel
Hey, I want to try Final Fantasy with a friend, but we both are free to play. Could someone put us in a party?
zinc orbitBOT
dusk zenith
what is the general fee for crafting services?
and how much do you charge people if you also have to buy/get the mats yourself?
to craft an order
obsidian patio
Thereâs no real general consensus.
dusk zenith
ahh okay
obsidian patio
If someone provides me all the materials and I donât need to use food I craft for free
dusk zenith
how about when the mats arent provided and it requires food?
ie : ilvl 480 raid food
obsidian patio
Depends on the exact item and how expensive the materials are.
leaden ginkgo
Is there a way to turn off the ambient noise/cheering/sword clashing when you're in an area with lots of people?
obsidian patio
Ambience volume slider in system settings
You can also make a macro that toggles Ambience on/ff
@dusk zenith depends on each crafter, if you want to be safe always ask whenever you request for something
dusk zenith
okay thanks!
sturdy mason
Why do I not see Action Help on the HUD editor?
I have Action Help ENABLED in character settings
So it should be there
rose eagle
Thatâs behemoth and is unlocked through achieve points
obsidian patio
Thatâs Behemoth and you can buy it from Jonathas in Old Gridania with Achievement Certificates
obsidian patio
I think the achievement menu shows it
But you get a certificate for every 50 achievement points when talking to him
rose eagle
Not unless you talk to him to redeem them sadly
tight harbor
Uhhh the server icon...?
unreal badge
when wondrous tails says complete POTD / HOH do they mean the highest lfoor?]
or just a single queue of 10 floors?
junior yacht
just a single set of floors
cosmic token
Hello, I have some questions regarding versions of FFXIV on different platforms.
Google results tell me that it is cross-platform between PC and PS4, but if you wish to play on the other, you need to buy the correspondent version, or something like that?
If someone could clarify the whole platform thing with an updated answer, as I'm wondering which version to buy and what I could do with each version. I intend to play on PC, but some of my friends might want to play on PS4.
whole wasp
Pc and ps4 can play together
But the version of the game you buy dictates which platform you can play from
obsidian patio
@tight harbor April Fools day
whole wasp
So if you buy the pc license, you can only play on pc. If you buy a ps4 license, you can only play on ps4
But in game, everybody plays together.
cosmic token
if you have both PC and PS4 versions, can you play with the same account on both platforms or something like that?
or is it just 2 separate accounts?
slate arrow
yes you can use the same mogstation account cross all platforms
the only exception is that there's two different PC keys and you can't mix them
slate arrow
(Namely, Steam and SE)
cosmic token
oh so Steam is its own thing?
whole wasp
Yes same account but you need to buy the game twice. Once for pc once for ps4
Yup steam is its own thing
tight harbor
PS4, Steam, and all the other platforms are their own separate thing.
slate arrow
Steam and PC take up the same slot
leaden ginkgo
Are the login servers still shitting themselves
leaden ginkgo
Awesome, love that I'm paying a subscription for a game I can't play lmao
cosmic token
Okay, so let me see if I get this right -
There are 2 PC versions, different from each other, taking up the same "PC Slot" in the mogstation thingy, but they are different servers?
slate arrow
if the error goes on for longer than 24 hours they'll give everyone a day or two of sub
no same servers for all platforms
leaden ginkgo
I'm just surprised it's still ongoing, it's been happening all evening for me
whole wasp
@cosmic token same server everybody plays together
slate arrow
(the only region seperation is for the Chinese and Korean clients which use a different sub model)
pastel trench
hello, my friend and I are returning after a very long break from the game. He's wants to get a skip for his class to level 50+ and also skip the entire MSQ for the base game. Can anyone help us figure out what we should be looking at in the store to accomplish this?
cosmic token
oh okay
whole wasp
Well except china and korea
leaden ginkgo
Been checking back every now and then and I haven't been able to log in for like 11 hours
cosmic token
So, is there any pro or con to choosing a certain platform?
slate arrow
nope
besides steam and PC
Steam you can only buy off the steam store
PC you can get keys from places like Humble Bundle
slate arrow
(And besides the obvious hardware advantages. Imagine gaming on a mac đ¤ )
cosmic token
actually, hold up, I need to check what I can do with my old versions, if I still have them
slate arrow
!faq mogstation
zinc orbitBOT
whole wasp
Steam has steam wallet tho. Thats what most people on steam i know like.
slate arrow
oh right forgot about that
if you don't wanna feed SE your card details steam lets you use steam wallet credit
cosmic token
I mean I use PayPal for that
slate arrow
fair enough
cosmic token
so I got heavensward, not sure what I can do with that
slate arrow
you can play up to level 60 and the 3.5 MSQ
you can just buy shadowbringers to get both Stormblood and Shadowbringers
whole wasp
Yea its the same thing basically.
slate arrow
@pastel trench You want the A Realm Reborn skip
slate arrow
unfortunately, you can't job skip to level 50. It's only level 70 job skips on Mogstation.
pastel trench
@slate arrow so he wants to be a Dark Knight, will he only need the A Realm Reborn skip?
level 70 would be fine
slate arrow
Ah, job skip bypasses quests requirements so I think he should be fine
cosmic token
so it seems there's a 4$ 2$ difference between shadowbringers and complete edition - what is the difference in features?
junior yacht
Complete Edition gets you the whole game
whole wasp
Complete includes base game i think
slate arrow
absolutely nothing for you
junior yacht
Shadowbringers is just the expansions
slate arrow
since you already own A Realm Reborn
slate arrow
If you want bonus items, it's Shadowbringers Collector's edition you wanna look at.
pastel trench
just to clarify - if he gets that one skip, he gets level 70 and skips the MSQ for the base game?
cosmic token
One last thing
slate arrow
cosmic token
Does having the same mogstation account mean you can use your characters and everything, playing on a different platform, after purchasing that platform's version?
junior yacht
you can share characters across PS4 and PC
slate arrow
(some sort of archaic japanese law which prevents them from spreading the purchase across all platforms)
junior yacht
you cannot share between normal PC and Steam
cosmic token
yeah I mean, if I played on PS4 before, but now I buy the PC version, do I still have my characters?
slate arrow
oh yes
junior yacht
yes
whole wasp
Yes
cosmic token
oh okay thanks @junior yacht that answered it
slate arrow
same account = same characters
cosmic token
Okay I think I have no more questions
Thank you all for answering ^^
Wait, there's one small detail
What about PS4 <> Steam? (regarding the last question)
junior yacht
so there's Steam and non-Steam PC versions
slate arrow
same thing as PS4<>PC
you can't get steam since you already own a windows key
i think
junior yacht
you can have PS4/Steam or PS4/Non-Steam
pastel trench
ok @slate arrow so he'd have to buy the "Tales of Adventure: A Realm Reborn" for $11.00 to get the MSQ skip, then also buy the "Tales of Adventure: One Dark Knight's Journey II" for $25.00 to do what he wants?
is that right?
junior yacht
but not both, for some weird reason
cosmic token
okay I got it
So if my friend gets Steam, then wants to move PS4, he'll be able to keep his progress?
slate arrow
well he doesn't need the job skip but he'd have to grind to level 50 anyways to continue the MSQ
yep
cosmic token
Okay, thanks
pastel trench
ok i think i get it
thanks for the help
one other question - if they only do the MSQ skip but NOT the level skip
how is the leveling grind to 50?
is there a way to powerlevel them?
obsidian patio
spamming dungeons mostly
pastel trench
i have a 66 white mage and I'd do whatever to help them get caught up
what's the lowest level dungeon we could spam?
slate arrow
Whatever is your friend's highest level
cosmic token
Do either the complete version or shadowbringers version grant a month with it?
zinc orbitBOT
slate arrow
complete edition does but only if you didn't own ARR
cosmic token
okay, so my friend would get a month then
cosmic token
If I haven't really done much on my account, is it worth just getting a new one?
slate arrow
I'd say no but it's your call.
cosmic token
I think I have like a level 33 character xD
slate arrow
then sure if you wanna
cosmic token
tho I might have some old promotional/event stuff on my acc, so I'll check out what I have first
oh its 23 not 33 xD
slate arrow
ah.
cosmic token
Does the game get sales often? and how high do they go?
obsidian patio
Sales are pretty sporadic. There is one currently for Shadowbringers and the Complete Edition.
cosmic token
so the current one is pretty good?
cosmic token
it is
slate arrow
it is
warped lintel
hi so my friend just bought the dlc on ps4 but she is not sure how to redeem it
how does buying the dlc on ps4 store works?
slate arrow
@obsidian patio
obsidian patio
It's redeemed automatically to your mogstation account.
All you need to do is start up the game after buying it
warped lintel
oooh dope thanks!
rancid cradle
Does it matter which server i am in or can i join a Free company that is on another server but on the same datacenter?
mossy current
the Free company has to be on the same server
unreal badge
where do NPCs sell level 70 ilevel 370+ armor?)
rancid cradle
Whats a good way to find a FC then? đŽ
mossy current
crystarium, GGEZ
else, the poetics gear is in Rhalgrs
Finding an FC can be done in a few ways, I see that sometimes at least on Aether people advertise their FC in Party Finder or in shouts of certain locations.
Follow your heart tbh
and what you want to do
unreal badge
ty
dense tide
Hello. I decided to go back to FF14, I see that I've got an old account with lv33 archer. I really dislike his name and don't remember the game pretty much at all, is it a lot of work to replay these levels? I don't remember how long it took me, the early leveling experience with global cd was awful so I don't want to do it again if it takes a lot of time.
Is there a lot of gameplay to get to this stage on a new account?
obsidian patio
Not really, mostly just doing the story to get back to where you were
mossy current
level 33 is only a few hours in tbh
obsidian patio
If you play on a preferred server you'll get a +100% experience boost for all classes to level 70 which makes things go by fast
cosmic token
Is there a way to find out how long before the current 50% sale ends?
obsidian patio
I'm not familiar with the SE store so I can't confirm.
grizzled scarab
not if you try to level all classes đŠ
mossy current
check for the social media posts about the sale, or the sale on the site itself
grizzled scarab
Im still at lvl 34 after like 20 hrs
dense tide
Thank you for your answers @mossy current @obsidian patio
mossy current
np but the credit is die to Wynne more than me lol
zinc orbitBOT
drifting spire
I have an issue, in recent days I came across an problem, in one moment everything in my game is find and dandy and the following day I find out that the game no longer plays voices for the cutscenes that have them and I am uncertain as to why, the settings for audio were untouched and voices are most certainly on. I already tried reinstalling the game and doing a couple resets but nothing.
slate arrow
whoops
wrong game
this game is extremely spordiatic with voices early on though so
mossy current
yea, just keep at it for a bit longer and make sure
mossy current
what part of the game are you in
drifting spire
No, I'm already at the end
I meant that the game just lost all the voices on situations where they should be on
for no reason
slate arrow
rugged flicker
I've been trying to catch fishes from the 2.3 patch all night, so far I have yet to catch even one. As far as I can tell, my gathering is high enough...
quartz shale
Using the right bait? Right weather, time of day?
obsidian patio
Big Fishes have a capped gathering chance
Even if you massively overlevel them you can still lose the fish
quartz shale
đ¤ sure youâre at the right fishing hole?
Other than that, only thing I can think of would be weather and time frames not lining up together for some fish
rugged flicker
I've been trying to catch fish at several different ones as the time and weather changes.
If I've been going to the wrong ones every time, that'd be some pretty fucking huge incompetence on my part ><
obsidian patio
which big fish specifically?
rugged flicker
A few different ones, trying floating boulder now.
obsidian patio
According to FF14 angler and the weather command all the conditions are currently being met.
And you're using Bass Balls as bait? Not sure if Versatile Lure works on all big fishes.
barren holly
heart of stone is something i should spam on the main tank when i'm offtanking?
obsidian patio
I wouldn't necessarily say spam, but yeah I'd try to use it whenever they're about to take a big hit
barren holly
25 second cooldown is basically spam
mossy current
save it for tankbusters
obsidian patio
or any other party member who is a bit low on health when raidwide damage is about to go out
slate arrow
if you have brutal shell up as well that's a small shield that stacks with whatever shields the healers send out as well
barren holly
ye, it's cool
mossy current
it stacks with Divine Veil too right?
barren holly
GNB has a surprising amount of support
obsidian patio
all shields stack but Nocturnal Benefic/Helios with Succor/Adloquium, AFAIK
barren holly
galvanize is the effect that scholars use
summer elm
Is anyone having issues logging into the game (getting lobby server connection encountered an error-PS4)?
summer elm
Is there something going on?
obsidian patio
Seems like most of NA is having server issues
slate arrow
datacenter undergoing maint
summer elm
Okay
rugged flicker
I never had an issue like this with the others.
mossy current
Fishing is ultra RNG
slate arrow
đ
remote lintel
my friend keeps saying he gets an "invalid target" error after trying to attack an enemy
and he has to reselect the target and then it lets him attack?
slate arrow
send a screenshot
raven sage
Does he have it set to only attack when he's facing the enemy?
slate arrow
if auto face is turned off he needs to face the enemy to use actions
craggy lagoon
Anyone on adamantoise?
remote lintel
no he says he was facing the enemy
rugged flicker
I have to be doing something wrong... either that or the RNG on these fish is somehow different from the 2.2 fish.
OH SHIT
Fucking finally.
Got one of the 24-hour ones at least... Gonna have a hell of a time getting the ones that are only up for two hours ><
zinc orbitBOT
unreal badge
is there a way to move and/or resize enemy cast bars (specifically the casting bars)
slate arrow
target info > Ui element setting
obsidian patio
In Hud Layout you can make the target UI into separate pieces.
I think the pieces are HP bar, buffs/debuffs, current target, and cast bar.
unreal badge
iu'll check after this boss
leaden ginkgo
which saves to computer: upload or download?
spark wren
what's a good way to earn gil/exp when you don't want to join a party
leaden ginkgo
i want to save my current settings: do i use upload or download?
sage plaza
ye
whole wasp
@leaden ginkgo upload
sage plaza
there's a lot of approved materials that sells for decent
whole wasp
Check your marketboard first
whole wasp
Lots of diadem mat in my server has tanked to 1 gil
mossy current
better to just buy it and resell it then
obsidian patio
most of the diadem items that still sell for Gilgamesh are the level 80 materials
at least non-artisan, not sure about artisan
mortal nebula
Is it true you get stat points to use each level?
whole wasp
Nope
obsidian patio
NA datacenters are having server issues, yes
junior yacht
the whole assigning stat points thing was removed a while ago
because the devs realized there wasn't any meaningful choice associated with it, so there was no point in keeping it
robust crow
so uh
does white mage ever use medica 1
cuz it kinda seems like it sucks compared to medica II
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obsidian wren
Medica 1 heals more at once and costs less mana than medica 2
It's good for smallish aoe heals or if you need to heal more after a m2
tawdry stump
i just installed Shadowbringers and am getting a "lobby server error 5006"... i played last night without a problem, anyone know how to fix?
server issues i see
whole stump
yeah same :(
heady bone
Anyone know if there is a website/database for character customization setting templates?
left moth
5006 is a north american thing at the moment. no real reasonnig behind who is/isn't getting it. just try to sign in again
native ingot
Hey I'm new and don't know what equipment should I buy it even if I should buy. I'm a thaumaturgist lvl 8 and have 1.200
little walrus
you shouldn't need any gear beyond MSQ rewards at that point.
native ingot
@little walrus also sometimes I go to events that say lvl 5 and get my ass kicked
Is that normal?
little walrus
hmm no. what zone are you in? look for an armorer vendor and just buy cheapo gear for ur level
avoid market board (people relist things over priced)
obsidian patio
You swap to Ice with Blizzard 1
little walrus
ur thaumaturge? swap to frost spells
native ingot
Ok ty
little walrus
ur mana is your rotation basically, fire til ur OOM, frost til your full
native ingot
Also what is this mentor disciple thing
little walrus
but for your dying issue, if it rly is one, buy some basic gear at an armorer merchant, if u cant find one, theres one near the markets of each major city. if your on lamia i can help you out
obsidian patio
in-game mentors are basically players who've played the game a lot. They can invite new players to a chat channel known as the Novice Network which is filled with Mentors and other new players.
little walrus
mentor is in-game chat channel for newbies/returnees to ask questions. but this channel here does kind of the same thing. 99% of the time im asking the Qs so its nice to answer some đ
little walrus
maybe early on? its a core part of rotation in long fights though for sure
native ingot
But it rly doesn't t
Do that much
obsidian patio
I'm not too sure about before you get Thundercloud but once you get that trait it becomes good enough to keep up on the target.
little walrus
and later u get spells that build off of it (like instant cast, half the dmg up front proc)
obsidian patio
!trait Thundercloud
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native ingot
Oooof
obsidian patio
Kupo pls I wanted thunder 1
little walrus
lmao
obsidian patio
pretty much, yes.
little walrus
what i tell all my friends i get to play. treat it like a single player FF game, focus on the main story. you just so happen to be able to do some other stuff with other people
obsidian patio
Just make sure to keep up on your Thaumaturge Class quests for the actions they give
fresh lodge
!action Thunder
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dusk zenith
in terms of getting ishg scrips, are expert crafts better or lvl 80 turn ins?
little walrus
also quests with THIS icon unlock new content (mounts, dungeons, etc)
obsidian patio
I want to say level 80 since they can be done much faster
native ingot
Ok ty
fresh lodge
Depends on how quickly you can make the Expert crafts
manic oasis
hey guys what are the crucial cross-class skills that cul needs?
fresh lodge
You can make one in about a minute and a half with min collectability
obsidian patio
Crafters don't have cross class skills anymore
fresh lodge
But i'd go with whichever one has the cheaper mats
obsidian patio
all the good ones were made as skills for each class.
dusk zenith
for the expert crafts, is there a macro/rotation that always hits the min collectability?
little walrus
newbie crafter here, but that'd depend on ur gear. wouldnt it? or does everyone have the same gear at 80? đ
i always sim everything in teamcraft though
dusk zenith
once you hit the min stats for 2480 crafts, cp is the king
there is rng involved in these crafts due to the condition
for expert crafts, the condition doesnt simply effect just the amount of quality you increase when using touch
it can reduce cp, durability, and increase success rate of skills
little walrus
o shi-...
dusk zenith
as far as im aware, i havent found a macro/rotation that always gets the min collectability but i havent checked in a while
cursive anvil
cold crescent
whats good? got a few questions if anyone is up and wants to help a brother out
manic oasis
enna kai?
cold crescent
me and nicetea are looking to get into this game, how exactly can we make sure we spawn into the same general area? i get that we both will need to pick the same server
played enough MMOs to know this is something i should worry about
quasi widget
is there any SB trial that still needs a 2 tank/2 healers comp? just to make sure
or just two tanks I guess
obsidian patio
Your starting city is based on the class you pick. Marauder/Arcanist start in Limsa Lominsa, Lancer/Archer/Conjurer start in Gridania, and Thaumaturge/Pugilist/Gladiator start in Ul'Dah.
They all meet up around level 15 in the story.
cold crescent
alright perfect thank you
obsidian patio
@quasi widget in terms of mechanics? Not really. If you want to include the Omega Raid then O12 needs both tanks to keep both bosses separate.
quasi widget
ok thanks đ
manic oasis
wait so o12 can be done with 2 tanks?
obsidian patio
I think they mean if the fight can be done with a nonstandard composition when level synced.
obsidian patio
oh the extremes! That changes the answer then.
Suzaku will definitely need two tanks due to her tank buster applying a very powerful vulnerability debuff.
terse cedar
how do you exactly go on with leveling? i am soon 80 on my MCH and was thinking bout getting all "dps" on one char, later all healer on one char etc.
manic oasis
can two tanks do it without healers?
obsidian patio
Seiryu will require you to either tank swap for his tank buster or to use immunities.
terse cedar
the storage for the weapons etc. is enough or?
obsidian patio
definitely not, you won't have enough damage or sustain to kill the later ones fast enough
also, mechanics.
manic oasis
ohh ok
quasi widget
I did some suzaku runs and now you can kill her before the tankbuster
obsidian patio
@terse cedar Your Armoury has enough space to hold equipment for all jobs on a single character, though the ring slot can be not enough if your classes are very different in levels and can't use the same rings.
terse cedar
okay i was just thinking bout getting all dps on one. đ thanks alot
obsidian patio
Ah, I've only recently done Suzaku before 5.2 so I always had to deal with a tankbuster.
little walrus
im hoping for aetheryte style ring for the next xpac... we need it so bad >_<
shrewd relic
why do i keep getting error 5006 when i try to login now
it goes away when i restart my laptop
obsidian patio
NA datacenters are having server issues.
shrewd relic
ah okay
also is there a way that i could play on a diff data center?
or would i need to buy a new acc
obsidian patio
click datacenter after logging into the launcher
little walrus
any teamcraft devs on? ive cleared my inventory, and relunahcned both the client and the game, and its still detecting that i have items on a retainer which i do not
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unreal badge
can a glamour plate save the hide sheathed weapon toggle specific to that plate?
obsidian patio
@shrewd relic after you log into the launcher and get to the big splash screen, one of the options will be "Datacenter"
shrewd relic
ooh got it
okay last question
if i purchased things on the mog station but theyre acc wide items
how will i retrieve them when i make a diff character
will it be in moogle?
will it also work across data center?
obsidian patio
Moogle Mail.
gritty oracle
Account wide stuff that I've got (vet rewards) always arrived in the mail when I created a new char
obsidian patio
Though account-wide items do take longer to arrive generally.
Generally around 30 minutes to an hour or so in my experience.
gritty oracle
Also it's the whole game wide. It works on all DCs.
little walrus
so Ruination was removed?
warped nest
native ingot
I have a question
I want to get into the disciple chat
But I can't find a mentor
How would I find one
obsidian patio
A lot of people hang out near the marketboards, that's generally a good place to start looking.
native ingot
Do I just talk to them
obsidian patio
yep
native ingot
Ok cool ty
twilit arch
june/july prob
bronze sorrel
Awesome ty
languid zinc
Howdy people
So i'm new to the game and I have several question as I'm quite experienced in MMORPGs and I wanted to test the game now since I have a lot of free time
Should I stick just to main quests/focus on them and leave side quests for later or not touch them at all?
Similiar to WoW, should I level up in classic way my first character? I guess it's not worth of using boost at all for new player?
If it matters, I started playing as Conjurer to be White Mage in future, i like aestetics of the class and heal
but from what I saw there is not much damage skills?
slate arrow
Always do 
and 
since everything is locked and unlocked by the MSQ and bluequests
Healers all now only have 1 offensive spell, 1 Damage over Time, and 1 AoE Spell, with a few other offensive skills depending on the job
healers are built around healing so their damage kit is
rather boring
rare sable
Whm got good personal damage though
slate arrow
On top of that, don't buy a level boost. This games's meat is the story, and even if you outlevel the story the game will probably sync you down in most instances, and level boost only gets you to the beginning of the expansion.
rare sable
If you play it well, you could beat tanks, and even dps damage in dungeons
slate arrow
haha, only if they're bad.
languid zinc
I see
I forgot to ask about that too
Wanted to know if game have sync like WoW which will scale you or mobs, up or down depending on area
forest laurel
sometimes mobs are synced up
because sidequests in shadowbringers have a quest sync system where the rewards and mobs are synced to your level
languid zinc
So, it'd be like on low level areas let's say
Mobs are 50 level, then you'd be scaled down to 50 if you're 80 or something?
proud willow
And Fates
rare sable
Well fates
icy quiver
Hi, how do I know which quests are level sync?
forest laurel
sidequests in shadowbringers have that system
obsidian patio
They'll have an arrow(?) in the quest name.
bitter plaza
regular overworld mob? nobody gets scaled
FATE mob? you have to scale down before you can attack it
sync quest mob? the mob is scaled up to your level
only certain quests are synced though
starting in shadowbringers all sidequests sync
before that it was only beast tribe quests
forest laurel
it'll have an arrow pointing down with red text
that's how you know it's a synced quest
proud willow
MSQ and class/job quests also sync if they involve a solo instance, but there's no way to tell until you get to the fight part of the quest
languid zinc
I see...
Kinda not encouraging knowing that White Mage, despite being healer have 2 or 3 damage skills 
I also thought about playing as Summoner since it looks cool and you'd have usefull own tanks
rare sable
All 3 healers have 1 single, 1 dot, 1 aoe (well sch have extra energy drain)
obsidian patio
WHM have a super AoE move that they can use after spending their job resource
languid zinc
Weird in comparison from what I've experienced in many other games
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And Scholar has an instant cast single target move too alongside their stronger non-instant move.
rare sable
Weird how?
slate arrow
Oh the reason it's like this now is because they tried to have actual pets in previous expansions
rare sable
@wynne blood for the lily god
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but atrocious pet AI and latency meant that they were either busted or underpowered depending on the patch so
they just ended up reworking how pets works entirely
rare sable
Smn is still "op" though rn?
slate arrow
nah
rare sable
5.2 fix it?
languid zinc
Well
For comparison
Black Deserts, WoWs, TERA "summoners" kind of classes have their pets working as well as a tank (well, maybe not BDO but they still can take damage tho)
And both in TERA & WoW and Runes of Magic from what i've played - healer had wider kit of attack skills or sub classes that would deal damage
slate arrow
SMN may rank highly but that's because any jobs with DOTs on multiple targets just rank higher on FFLOGs due to how it calculates damage
rare sable
Healer used to have more attack ability.... at least sch
Then idk
Healer is not heal'y enough?
slate arrow
SMN used to have pets take damage as well but they changed that with shadowbringers
rare sable
SE does a lot of rework
slate arrow
Also, you have to consider this is a tab target MMO with a lot of controller players.
It would be easy to overwhelm a majority of healer players if you tried to make it "complex"
languid zinc
I mean, i like being healer and i was kinda used to use only few attack skills
WoWs Priest for comparison have like 3-5 attacks skills on Holy Specialisation and like 15 damage skills on Shadow
Where Monk or Druid can be full DPS, tank or healer depends on choice
I can't compare such complex game as Black Desert to FFXIV, but theirs only supporter class is one of the top PvE grinders
Where in TERA, healer had few skills but with sick damage to do solo content mostly
slate arrow
This isn't WoW or TERA
Every major content in this game is based around 8 man groups
languid zinc
Yeah, it does have some "own" ways of being & unique ideas i need to say
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Also I assume you probably know already but PvP content in this game is definitely not a main focus
languid zinc
I see they put a lot of pressure on game being party independent then
Yeah, i don't like PvP much in games like this?
Also it's too slow for PvP with 2.5 at least, seconds of casting skills
WoW's 1s was slow for me but it was enjoyable
And I can't compare non-target combo based MMO like Black Desert or anything
slate arrow
this game is built and designed around the assumption you're going into raids with 2 tanks, 2 healers, and 4 DPS. Going off this means that some mechanics will not behave as intended and make your run that much harder as a result. (At least, for savage)
rare sable
Pvp here is.... se tried.... but its mostly dead
slate arrow
Also PvP can be fun if you like party modes is the best way to put it
The exp reward from the daily challege is also decent
languid zinc
I see, i see
What about complexity of raid mechanics and stuff like that?
I'm mostly Black Desert player (about 8k hours) and it's not that kind of game, but in WoW for comparison where i had just around thousand hours the raid from start to begining could be complicated as hell
slate arrow
How much do you mind spoilers?
All the raid sets have story and some of them tie heavily into the MAQ
languid zinc
I don't care much since I'll probably forget about it soon
slate arrow
Well for one, you know the orange telegraphs you usually see in regular content?
Those are gone in extreme and savage content
rare sable
Normal stuff, you can floor dead 100% of the time and still clear
slate arrow
There's a minimum DPS you usually need to meet to not be killed by enrage
languid zinc
I see
Since my most played Tab Target games were Runes of Magic and WoW i can compare them mostly to this
And TERA is non-target so >_<
slate arrow
Bosses usually have additional forms/phases and moves not seen in normal
languid zinc
I see
rare sable
Savage+ would need days/weeks/even months worth of prog to clear if ur particulary unlucky/unskilled
slate arrow
And then messing up a mechanic is also extremely punishing in most circumstances
(usually leading to a wipe)
languid zinc
I liked that stuff in RoM or WoW, where it was really complicated on some raids
you'd need to remember about many things at a time as a healer and at the same time, focus on healing
Or healing while moving, without having skills that can be casted while moving
slate arrow
If you want a good idea, I'd say look up the World First TEA clear. It's currently the hardest raid in the game and even with some tool assists they barely met the DPS check in the final phase.
languid zinc
I've cleared Eternal Palace in last WoW patch
And few wings of Ny'alotha the Waking City, which usually takes long hours
slate arrow
Oh this game respects the player's time... Most of the time
sinful breach
tbh moving from wow to ffxiv the hardest thing to adjust from my experience are the server ticks and snapshots
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Raids are long because you're usually wiping instead of just running through an area
languid zinc
Seems cool tho
For me?
A lot of things xD
The first feeling of game world, music, design - the weebs wet dream
Next? I'd personally don't mind faster skill recast time (1 second in WoW, not 2.5 like here so fights are faster)
And possible moving while casting, but not for everything of course
I was also happy clearing end game raid like Eternal Palace with almost best gear atm possible in like 2 hours and i was like "that was fast"
and i saw people clearing it in even 4, 5 or 6 hours
slate arrow
For the GCD: you can speed it up with skill speed but it generally hovers around 2.3-2.4. the fast comes from when you have to fit actions in between your GCD but this is an MMO designed to be played on a controller.
!faq weaving
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languid zinc
Yeees, GCDs are most noticable thing >_<
slate arrow
Also, "end game gear" doesn't exactly matter because most raids in this game have a item level sync as well
Especially ultimate, where you cannot unsync it in any case
obsidian patio
Some jobs are naturally faster due to buffs they can apply. Monk sits around a 1.9 second GCD while Ninja and Samurai sit around 2-2.1
slate arrow
This game's meat is the story, ultimately. Raids and endgame content are simply the nice cherry on top you get with the cake.
Most of the time you're going to be going to the next MSQ objective or running through a 4 person dungeon for the story
languid zinc
I see
I mean, the game is still probably in "top 10" most popular MMOs, but they don't have playerbase big enough nor willingness to change game in the roots
I've never thought about that but game popularity and age catching up a lot of stuff
Like, you said raids are not everything
Where WoW stood with unbeatable raids for years now, with more complex mechanics & ideas with each new xpack
And there was always a choice if you want to get gear either with PvE or from PvP as rewards, or world quests and many other sources
And there are Mythics+ which are dungeons + modifiers which make the difficulty but can give you good gear, and Horrific Vissions now
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holy wall of text on mobile batman
languid zinc
I still will give it a try since I like the aestetitcs of the game tho
I'll somehow endure leveling that goddamn WHM
slate arrow
But yeah don't come in expecting WoW 2.0
This is final fantasy xiv where your current endgame gear becomes irrelevant the moment the next raid patch comes out
languid zinc
same for WoW tho
slate arrow
anything and everything you keep will eventually become useless for anything but glamour
languid zinc
you can try clearing last raid for months, end it month before ending of expansion pack and next month it would be useless
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No unique gear modifiers or anything like that due to how kits are built
Nowdays you only get to play with your substats
valid idol
languid zinc
How about stuff for collectors?
Like in WoW, you can farm/grind for Legendary weapons for transmogs/skins
Or raids for xmogs, pets, mounts
slate arrow
Oh there's endless amounts of mounts and glamour (FFXIV transmog) you can collect
on top of achievements and leveling all your other jobs
forest laurel
legendary weapons sound a lot like ff14's relic weapons
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forest laurel
they're mainly just for glamour now iirc
languid zinc
I'm not altoholic in games like this
Only in Black Desert where I have 19 characters most of them around 60 Lv and about 8k hours
slate arrow
Unfortunately, there's no proper transmog log in this game at the moment
forest laurel
fortunately the game doesn't force you to make alts
languid zinc
The tab target games are usually not fast enough for me and mostly "single character oriented" so you'd need to do a lot of stuff again which would be boring
Well, WoW have Transmog/Appearance collections which are account wide
forest laurel
you can have all the jobs you want in one character
slate arrow
everything in this game is character based
almost nothing is unlocked account wide
except for a few specific paid items
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I mean unless you're a raidaholic you probably only need one character
(due to how the savage weekly lockouts works)
(the game really doesn't want you to grind the current endgame raid tier 24/7)
languid zinc
Yeah, obvious thing in every game thats instace based
WoW have limit of one lockout per character for raids and for Dungeons it goes like Normal without limit, Heroic 2 times a day and Mythic 1 time a day (beside Mythic+1- +20 and higher which don't have limit)
you can complete raid more than once per account, but only once per character
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Speaking of multiple characters
no job skip or story skip for extra characters
you gotta start from level 1 unless you wanna pay up
gritty turret
where do you get quest to become samurai
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(and you can't start as an expansion job either)
languid zinc
Yeah, or level boost with friend i guess?
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@gritty turret level 50, ul'dah
twilit arch
Sam unlock is in ul'dah
gritty turret
ok
twilit arch
near the main aetheryte
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Oh you also can't level boost a friend by killing overworld mobs
EXP from overworld kills heavily drops off after level 15
And you have to sync down to get EXP so
(get exp from dungeons, I mean)
languid zinc
So you can't or rather it's not viable to level up by killing mobs from 15 lv? >_>
And i wanted to make my dream come true and level up to 80 with crafting & gathering, damn it xD
slate arrow
Oh crafting and gathering are completely seperate and independent classes
languid zinc
Nonethless to say, the guy in WoW that hit level 120 with Pandaren without killing single mob is sick and immpresive xD
agile laurel
is Second Wind for rdps... always this underwhelming?
slate arrow
yes
slate arrow
It's not meant to be a full fledged heal that's for the healers
agile laurel
yea-hh I expected it to be something that could actually save you
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It's a band aid if the healers are down or busy
agile laurel
oh well
languid zinc
Crafting & gathering i guess are completly different
Same were in other MMOs i played where you could choice few or one gathering jobs and same for "crafting" jobs
gritty turret
where can i get gear if i just switched my job
obsidian patio
Crafters and Gatherers are their own jobs entirely with their own gear/stats/skills
slate arrow
But yeah once you unlock dungeons dungeons always give more EXP than anything else except for the daily roulette
languid zinc
Only Black Desert is MMO where Life skills have such complex level, that you need dozens or hundreds of hours to understand them
obsidian patio
level 1-50 vendor gear can be bought in the main city-state marketplaces.
After level 50 I don't suggest using NQ vendor gear anymore due to the stat difference between NQ and HQ. I usually stick to the level 50/60/70 tomestone sets and use dungeon gear to slowly replace it.
languid zinc
I see
So spam dungeons when they'll be available and get gear from vendor till 50 lv
obsidian patio
That was meant for Xixud, but yeah.
agile laurel
dungeon queues are quite similar to WoW's, expect instantaneous for not-dps and 10min for dps
languid zinc
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Here's how badly I've no-lifed this game
agile laurel
healing in this is also somewhat more relaxed than in WoW i feel so go for that
languid zinc
Goddamn
Ooooh
I liked WoW healing, actually you needed to manage your mana really wise
Since you sometimes oscillate on 20-30% for half a fight with boss or normal mobs while still going fast & forward
agile laurel
yeah all healers have this in this game https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Lucid_Dreaming
it's a different kind of mana management
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Basically, unless you're doing something wrong, you'll never run out of MP.
agile laurel
yup
languid zinc
WoWs Mythic+ dungeons which are timed and you need to complete lets say a dungeon that takes normally about hour or more in less than 20 or 15 min
and as healer it's worse than hell
You need to move constantly, and you don't have heals that can be casted while moving, watch your environment because of AoE skills and modifiers in Mythics+
Also manage your mana because you'd need to run and heal whole party all the time without time to regen it, because it's timed
agile laurel
going oom is colossally harder in this than XIV
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FFXIV raids aren't dungeons
agile laurel
(i know, by the way)
languid zinc
They're not whole "instances"?
agile laurel
XIV is a fun comparison to WoW because you really learn how hard Blizzard relies on DBM
languid zinc
Bruh, that's true
cold shore
they are challenging DBM programmers
agile laurel
Or anything like
cold shore
languid zinc
No addons as well tho
agile laurel
It's funny to learn how you don't need it tbh
which is what I've said for years and years
slate arrow
They tried the instanced dungeon raids back in ARR and Heavensward but the reception was pretty lackluster so they moved the fights to focus around the boss
cold shore
it's tons easier to control raid with that
agile laurel
Oh yeah stuff for markers and suchlike makes dbm goated
cold shore
1h movie roulette flashbacks
languid zinc
Even with DBM the raids are compilcated
because they're much faster out there
and longer
agile laurel
however things shouting 'mechanic is hitting you pls do this' is still pretty smoothbrained in wow, despite the barrage of mechanics
languid zinc
I mean, you can play without DBM, but at what cost?
Everybody would be mad at you
slate arrow
It's possible from what I've heard
agile laurel
(i just keep mine installed but have everything turned off so it passes checks lmfao)
Oh it's very possible
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agile laurel
I've done it for years
languid zinc
Even with DBM, it's not that easy tho
You still have wipes on dungeons & raids
languid zinc
one mistake and it's done sometimes
languid zinc
20, yeah
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FFXIV savage raids are always 8 people max.
languid zinc
there are no longer 40-man raids beside legacy raids from Cata and before
agile laurel
speaking as a wow guild officer it is harder to organise 30 chucklefriends to do their jobs
slate arrow
No more and no less (until the next expansion rolls around)
agile laurel
than it is 8
languid zinc
I remember as guild master & a tank (Zerker) in TERA organising party or raid was hell sometimes
And WoW is much more complex
Anyway
I think i'd still give it a try since the aestetitcs and community way of being convinces me to do so
Also, i don't want to waste 30⏠or so
Although as I said previously
Leveling Conjurer will be madness pressing 2 keys all the time XD 
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The life of a healer
forest laurel
there's a free trial up to level 35, no time limit, and you can level all the jobs you can get to 35.
and iirc if you're on a preferred world, you get 15 days sub free when you reach lvl 35?
slate arrow
you wish you had more attack buttons until your tank and DPS are trying to kill themselves for the 30th party in duty finder in a row
agile laurel
well ofc you know conjurer will become white mage
both of these are technically 'healers'
languid zinc
Also, is it the same like in WoW
That Healers and especially tanks have it easier to find anything?
forest laurel
yeah pretty much
languid zinc
always same stuff
forest laurel
as a healer I almost always get instant queue times
and as a tank it takes a bit longer for me but it's still pretty fast
languid zinc
I like aestetic of healers - the profit of instant queues are nice
agile laurel
yeah I leveled astrologist 30 levels yesterday evening just cause queues were instant and the bonuses were good
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oh Jesus Christ 30 levels in a evening unless it's like from 30 to 60 in which case yeah I can see that happening
languid zinc
I remember playing FFXIV back before A realm reborn...it was cluster fuck of nothing XD
forest laurel
1.0 was absolute trash and everyone knew it lmao
agile laurel
imho xiv did it better
slate arrow
1.0 was an absolute dumpster fire
agile laurel
like they made a bad game so they blew it up
languid zinc
yeah, absolute trash, that was back in 2015 or earlier? or later? i don't remember
slate arrow
designed by overambitious FF11 developers
cold shore
filler between arr and heavenswards wasn't any better
slate arrow
2011 or so
cold shore
forest laurel
1.0 was 2010-2012
languid zinc
everything was bad there tbh
slate arrow
Hey ARR patch quests are pretty alright in a vacuum
agile laurel
astrologist has been fun so far but I feel i'm under an obligation to make yu-gi-oh jokes
languid zinc
I uninstalled the game after 1 hour
cold shore
80 hours running from one npc to another
slate arrow
it's time to duedueudduduel
I said in a vacuum back when you weren't doing all 100 quests at once
cold shore
I had to
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Nowdays yeah it sucks in comparison to expansion patch quests
agile laurel
i didn't understand divination at first but explaining it in Exodia terms made a bit more sense
languid zinc
Also, if i may ask - how long it usually takes to hit max level?
cold shore
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cold shore
max lvl is fast but it means nothing if you don't have full story completed
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^
languid zinc
agile laurel
you can basically double if not more the time it takes compared to WoW due to cutscenes
languid zinc
what the fuck XD
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This is a final fantasy game first and MMO second
agile laurel
yup
languid zinc
I mean, it's nothing in comparison to Black Desert where there is no max level and leveling takes literally months of grind
And 120 in WoW depends on events
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If you don't enjoy the story I can't recommend you buy the game
languid zinc
Nowadays there is 100% XP bonus and it takes like 1 day or 2 days to hit 120
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lol 1 or 2 days
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lol
agile laurel
cold shore
7k afk with pc on night
agile laurel
languid zinc
Not really
slate arrow
It took me like 36 hours to get through just the base game + patches in ffxiv back in stormblood
3 12 hour days plus anxiety over exams does that to ya
cold shore
actually
agile laurel
then when I feel like it, spamming dungeons on astrologist for instaqueues to catch it up
slate arrow
ng+ has no rewards
