The closest you're gonna get to something like Nero or that one chick's armor is the elemental armor.
#questions-and-help
silk summit
dusty jungle
There is no other direct Garlean gear
besides the quest one
Oh yeah I forgot about that, it is close too
obsidian patio
There kinda is the Republican stuff from Wolf Marks in PVP which is basically historical Garlean stuff.
leaden ginkgo
yeah I won't lie, that's pretty Garlean-looking. 😮
nod nod
weird question
Which healer has naturally high damage
obsidian patio
White Mage
dusty jungle
WHM
leaden ginkgo
wellalright
It says it's Eureka gear.
I really wish they would have made an ATTACKING White Mage... like... the Ancient Amdapori who knew how to turn their healing magic into full damage magic (SWITCH ability)
A DPS White Mage would be so baller.
Thank you all. ❤️
weird ish follow up to the WHM Question
How does they DPS stack up :,D
i ask in the sense of like... someone who is pondering to do 70-80, and wondering how much of a chore it'd be
obsidian patio
You mean in comparison to the other healers?
leaden ginkgo
It's extremely easy to build up Afflatus Misery.
Likely as off it sounds, more like, tanks and DPS
Which is a 900 potency ability.
all i remember is that Afflatus DPS is a lie
Glare and Holy, along with your healing magic, all build up Afflatus Rapture/Solace and then Misery.
obsidian patio
WHM can compete with tanks on DPS assuming equal skill
Or slightly lower in damage
potent lion
All Afflatus Misery is makes your healing not a net loss in dps (when you heal with lilies)
it's would be better to just glare spam the whole time but misery is good for movement or weaving
leaden ginkgo
Added to that Misery is an AOE, so it cripples the whole cluster.
butyah i ask since
this is a very nitpicky wonder
70-80 leveling
And unno if to cap Healer, Tank or DPS first
silk summit
It's kinda fun blasting a pack with holy + assize + rapture and just ripping aggro right off the tank
leaden ginkgo
I had the most fun with Ninja DPS. Ninja have awesome mechanics.
White Mage is definitely my favorite Healer.
Gunbreaker is my favorite Tank.
Blue Mage is my favorite class, I just wish I could do the MSQ with it 😦
potent lion
Tank is doing something wrong if you ever rip aggro off of them
it's braindead easy to hold aggro as a tank
silk summit
Tell that to the tank I kept puuling aggro off of yesterday as a red >_>
But that's not a convo for here
leaden ginkgo
That tank doesn't know how to AOE pull
I've met a lot of tanks who don't AOE aggro. It's weird.
But don't tell them that. I was chased completely off of Reddit because I made a joke about tanks not keeping aggro.
dreamy zephyr
Heyo peeps, I’ve reached gs of 453 by spamming nier Raid, but I was wondering, I know there’s still more content, but how does one start it? I’ve unlocked edens savage stuff, but I noticed it has 30 min wait times, do I just continue with it?
twilit arch
no one is going to queue via duty finder for Savage in general
silk summit
Don't queue for savage through party finder, you'll die before it pops
*duty finder I mean
twilit arch
The 5.1 and 5.2 dungeons are gotten thru the msq
the second tier of Eden raid is started in Amh Araeng, the newest trial is started in the lochs after you've done the first part of 5.2
frosty badger
Is this ishgardian restoration the full one? It's taking forever with many stages :)
obsidian patio
Don’t think so
frosty badger
So there might be another update for it to include new mats and stages?
fresh lodge
Most likely
The reason its taking longer is because gatherers and expert recipes can now contribute
fresh lodge
They raised how much you need to contribute overall over the last time
fresh lodge
I believe so but its very little if at all
frosty badger
Is it a fixed +125 pts for submitting any collectable?
fresh lodge
For gathering?
frosty badger
No, crafting
obsidian patio
Based on the collectables level and maybe the amount of collectability too
frosty badger
It's for restoration effort
fresh lodge
Do you mean the score?
frosty badger
The message that appears after I submit the crafting collectable
frosty badger
How come
fresh lodge
And its related to what you turn in and what collectability tier you got
I have no idea
It just is
fresh lodge
Yes
silk summit
There's always people working on it
If you ever see the firmament empty during a building period send me a screenshot
silk summit
That being said it wouldn't surprise me if they adjusted it for worlds that take a long time to finish
frosty badger
Yea only devs really know
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dusk zenith
is there any more free inventory other than the 2 retainers + saddlebag?
obsidian patio
Kinda the Glamour Dresser if you really don't see yourself using all 400 slots or like using that for making glamours
though it does cost glamour prisms to put items in there
dusk zenith
ah i see
i was hoping something i can put my mats for my crafters
im also about to hit lvl 80
for my crafters
whats a cheap gearset to use until 5.3?
warped nest
You can use it for yourself, or for your personal group, just don't use it to bully other players
obsidian patio
@dusk zenith the i430 gearset should be super cheap, though if you're wanting to craft the set that's likely coming in 5.3 you'll likely need the facet gearset
warped nest
Officially, SE is against. Practically, SE will let you slide if you don't be an ass with the mods
I am not aware of any UI mods
But for things to look pretty, there is ReShade, but it is quite performance heavy so generally it is used for pretty screenshot
I'm on PS4
But thanks for the offer
dusk zenith
ah okay
hot crane
is there Linkshell list in game like friendship list?
warped nest
ooh nono i meant more like, to make sure that i wasn't breaking any rules with it!!
@leaden ginkgo official stance is around the ballpark of "it is technically not okay, but as long as other players aren't affected, then you are fine"
@dusk zenith nope
warped nest
BiS pentameld is for people who want to HQ with full NQ mats
Cheap melds, pentameld or not, is more than enough to handle most recipe if you throw in a few HQ materials
The general schedule is a big patch every 3 months
dusk zenith
ohh okay thanks ! :)
what is a cheap meld build?
since i dont have a lot of gil to spend on pentamelding
warped nest
The norm is to have just enough craftmanship to meet the requirements for the currently highest difficulty recipe
Then as many control (after meeting Control requirement) and CP without breaking your bank
The highest Craftmanship/Control requirements are 2480 and 2195 respectively
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outer hound
how do I reset PoTD to 51? when i press the reset button, it says to reset to level 1
fresh lodge
You have to clear floor 100
obsidian patio
floor 51 should be available after beating the floor 50 boss and completing the quest after that
fresh lodge
Or just floor 50 I think
obsidian patio
If you use your second save file does it give you the option to start at 51?
if so then that box you linked probably didn't get updated
ebon sphinx
My friend just got me a gift off the mogstation and i was so excited that i didn't send it to the right character and realized like a few moments after confirming. Is there anything I can do?
obsidian patio
Pretty sure not, but you can always try sending in a support ticket in-game.
exotic sorrel
does BRD"s wanderer's minuet help with healers's crit?
ebon sphinx
Well crap. I suppose i'll be buying it and pretending it just took a while to deliver.
obsidian patio
@exotic sorrel I think so?
exotic sorrel
ok ty...
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sinful barn
it is to my understanding that grenoldt in shadowbringers can give level 80 gear for all classes as long as i have gotten them to level 80 and have the achievement. I have met the requirements for my Astro, so why does he only show dps gear?
jaunty jay
have you done the "class quests" in Crystarium?
obsidian patio
You need to do the appropriate role quest series for that role's gear to be buyable from Grenoldt
slate arrow
yeah like the reason why he can make you the gear is because he's inspired by the crystal you bring to him
slim thistle
So I am having issues in the #kupo-bot-spam with getting one of my characters registered?
obsidian patio
take out the <>'s
slim thistle
Ah there is goes, thanks
obsidian patio
👍
spark wren
which classes have short rotation or the least skills used?
rare sable
Blm's rotation is the only "easy" thing about blm...
spark wren
other than BLM
obsidian patio
Probably Red Mage
obsidian patio
If you don't mind procs then Dancer is pretty simplistic
rare sable
Dancer is priority system class though
lament wagon
with dancer basically you use the abilities that pop up
rare sable
If ur not min maxing, ^ will do (lol)
obsidian patio
the single target 'combo'
lament wagon
well that's oversimplified
spark wren
how about tanks? i want to play tank but from vids, i see like 4 skill bars
obsidian patio
Warrior is probably the simplest overall
Dark Knight is pretty simple but heavier on the oGCDs
rare sable
Gnb made me cry
obsidian patio
Paladin basically has two rotations they use based on cooldowns, a melee rotation and a magic rotation
and Gunbreaker is basically a DPS with their 30/60 second burst windows full of oGCDs
opaque pewter
What was the primal before Ruby Weapon?
obsidian patio
in terms of Extremes, Hades
spark wren
ic, thanks
rare sable
Hades is (still) harder than ruby though ^^
opaque pewter
Thx
rare sable
Cause its a mechanic heavy fight hehe
bronze sorrel
Personally I feel like drk is easier than war now
Just gotta remember to smash ur ogcds on cooldown
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languid elbow
@obsidian patio so i guess im supposed to be asking questions here rather than #general-discussion
?
obsidian patio
either channel is fine 😄
obsidian patio
The story is a main focus and unlocks a majority of the content, so it's mandatory to do.
You can unlock and max all classes, crafters, and gatherers on a single character so having more than one is not really a thing. But as a result that means there's not much cross-character stuff like mailing to other characters or a lot of account-wide stuff
Also, Crafting and Gathering classes have their own levels, gear, and skills. They're basically classes in their own right
languid elbow
Is there a benefit of having multiple characters then?
obsidian patio
You can benefit from extra storage space from retainers which are basically the item banks of the game, but since you can't easily transfer items between characters it can be a hassle to do.
languid elbow
which im assuming you can buy inventory spaces
obsidian patio
kinda, yes. You get 2 free retainers and have the option to basically increase your subscription to have more of them, up to 10 total retainers.
languid elbow
i see
obsidian patio
Each retainer is 175 slots worth of storage
languid elbow
so there isnt a really good reason to have multiple characters
obsidian patio
Main reasons are for Roleplaying, and if you really want to do endgame raiding for multiple Jobs and not have to deal with the weekly loot lockout
languid elbow
can you only have one job?
obsidian patio
I meant in terms of quickly gearing up multiple jobs through endgame raiding.
languid elbow
whats a difference between a job and a class
obsidian patio
They're pretty much interchangeable, but the combat classes from the base game upgrade into jobs
languid elbow
gotcha
obsidian patio
Jobs have more skills and are always better than their class
languid elbow
so you can or you cant have multiple jobs at once?
zinc orbitBOT
Disciples of War for Wynne Yilmaz
whole wasp
You can be have every job levelled on one character but you can only be one job at a time.
If thats what you are asking.
short moon
Sorry, off-topic.
Currently trying to create a macro to switch my hudlayout when I swap to a DOL/H class.
I can get the macro to swap my classes and gearset, but it says "The Command /hudlayout 2 does not exist." whenever I execute the macro. Any ideas?
obsidian patio
Have you saved a hudlayout 2?
short moon
I have. I've only created 1 additional hotbar, and saved it in the second slot. I can swap to it fine when I bring up the actual hud layout.
I can swap to hudlayout 1 just fine when I create the same macro.
obsidian patio
Hmm... From what I'm reading /hudlayout 2 should work just fine. I never tried that kind of command myself so I don't have personal experience with it. 
short moon
🤷♂️
yikes, it magically started to work. I just copied the macro and placed it in a different slot. dunno.
obsidian patio
magic \o/
leaden ginkgo
Why is blue mage limited
obsidian patio
They wanted to stay true to the job's gimmick of learning skills, and balancing that with them not being forced into learning certain spells for the duty finder.
Also Blue Mages are downright busted in terms of how much damage they can do when synced down because all of their spells are technically level one.
frosty badger
is that a good or bad thing?
obsidian patio
bad in terms of balance
whole wasp
they are hilariously OP so they are relegated to being a gimmick
feral crane
Does any of the magic classes play specific roles like healer, or do you have a choice?
obsidian patio
Classes cannot be a different role than what they are.
Only semi-exception is Arcanist as it branches into Summoner, a dps job, and Scholar, a healer job.
Black Mage/Summoner/Red Mage are always DPS, and White Mage/Scholar/Astrologian are always healers.
feral crane
Arcanist is the class I am playing as. I was considering going into the other classes just to try them out but I like playing as someone who has a little of everything.
obsidian patio
Gladiator/Paladin (tank) eventually get a pretty beefy single-target heal when they need to use it, but it's not something to rely on.
warped nest
1 character can play all jobs
You aren't locked to a specific role or job
Jobs just can't be multiple roles
bleak citrus
I started to pick up gathering and such, so I decide to do a levequest however I don't see the needed nodes to mine. Is there something that I am doing wrong?
feral crane
Okay, thanks for the help.
warped nest
Are you sure you are in the right spot?
bleak citrus
The green spot ye
I even watched a video for this quest, same location
Not sure whats wrong
obsidian patio
Do you have Prospect active?
bleak citrus
yees
obsidian patio
Do you have your off-hand slot filled? that leve may need your secondary tool
bleak citrus
I'm a miner, is there a second tool?
obsidian patio
yep, crafters and gatherers have offhand tools
obsidian patio
I can't remember for sure if it is, but you can buy a Bronze Sledgehammer from the merchent/mendor in Horizon
umbral moat
Is there a way to disable the fellowship notification sound when you login?
obsidian patio
IIRC it should be somewhere in the fellowship menu
umbral moat
I don't want to disable it just the sound it makes
bleak citrus
Hmm, still no nodes with a sledgehammer equipped as well, weird
umbral moat
Or change the sound to something else. Because I dont like it being the same sound as the maikbox
obsidian patio
I don't think you can change that. :\
@bleak citrus sounds like you may need to do your miner quests then if you haven't been keeping up on those
obsidian patio
completely optional
runic sluice
I'm now level 50 (haven't bought any expansions yet) and kinda lost as to what to do next
want to milk ARR as much as possible 😛
obsidian patio
my general suggestion is to have a decently sized Gil pile or to level up your gathering classes first (mainly miner and botanist) so you can get your own materials
runic sluice
what is a decent amount? I spent no gil yet...so don't have an exact notion of what is a lot yet
prob have 50k or smt
obsidian patio
probably at least 100k, depending on how messed up the prices for low level materials are.
lament wagon
materials below level 50 are usually pretty cheap
obsidian patio
You can't really make good money as a crafter in the base game besides some furniture/glamour items costing a lot more than they really should
!market Gilgamesh Classic Spectacles
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78,749 
x1 [Gilgamesh]
78,749 x1 [Gilgamesh]
78,749 x1 [Gilgamesh]
78,749 x1 [Gilgamesh]
78,749 x1 [Gilgamesh]
78,749
78,749
78,749
78,749
78,749
lament wagon
in hw they start costing a few thousands for hq mats
obsidian patio
Guess the cost of the materials needed to craft these glasses.
About 570 gil from vendors. It's also a level 40 Goldsmith craft.
runic sluice
nice
obsidian patio
Some margins like the above are very lucrative if you know where to look into the market
runic sluice
yeah I want to spend as much time as possible in ARR. I know the expansions are essential, but will need to wait a bit
maybe try levelling another job as well
although I'm quite enjoying DRG 🙂
past flicker
probably a dumb question but do Dragoons get the /backflip and /playdead emotes for free or do they just get the victory pose as a similar thing to /backflip and no playdead?
forest laurel
isn't 
on mogstation tho
past flicker
yeah that’s why I’m thinking they probably don’t get it free since it’s available to buy... but I thought I read smth somewhere that it was free for dragoons, probably a joke tho ig
forest laurel
from what I've seen it's a joke yeah
past flicker
What about /backflip, same thing?
forest laurel
not sure about backflip, but I know that's on mogstation too
obsidian patio
yeah, /backflip is pretty similar to dragoon's victory pose emote
as for /playdead, that's a reference to the LOLDRG meme that dragoons frequently die to AoEs because they use their jump attacks at the wrong time.
empty parrot
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Light-headed is it true that this quest doesn't ask for HQ version of the item? just asking since other job quests i've done have been asking for hq version of the requested items
obsidian patio
yep, looks like it's okay with NQ
hot crane
hi is there a way that I can decide the number of things I want to get on market board?
obsidian patio
nope, you have to buy the stack as it is.
obsidian patio
though in your picture there are much more reasonable stacks of 27 and 16
error i2501 is a general error usually caused by using a VPN, unstable connection, or too many failed attempts
I'd recommend contacting support then since you've been having the issue for over 24 hours.
hot crane
dumb question. how do I sell things on market?
I heard I can hire a retainer to do that if I have subscription
yet no clue where the dude is
sorry for being super noob
obsidian patio
!faq retainers
jaunty jay
if you have the game, you need to find a sidequest for the retainers
zinc orbitBOT
obsidian patio
!faq retainer
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hot crane
tyty
eager crown
guys i dont know what to choose, paladin or dark knight? im new to tanking but i also want one thats not too easy to learn.
obsidian patio
Paladin is pretty middle of the road in terms of difficulty with their rotation, though Dark Knight has more buttons to press between GCDs
forest laurel
paladin so far seems pretty simple to use altho that might be bc I'm only 63 on it
slate arrow
it's a little bit to keep up with
obsidian patio
they definitely go up a bit once you get Requiescat
slate arrow
sword oath stacks, your DOT, making sure you line up your FoF and Requiascat phases,
etc
It's the job with the most resources to manage even if most of it usually lines up most of the time
Dark knight meanwhile is the slowest to get going in terms of leveling
you don't get your second AoE until level 72
rough anchor
Is there any way to get the wedding glam pieces without getting married?
dusky nest
nah
slate arrow
nope
rotund phoenix
IS there any way to have gear setups. As in, when I switch from fishing back to gladiator I can click a button or something and have all the gear equip without equipping 1 by 1?
rotund phoenix
Awesome Ill look for it now. Thank you!
slate arrow
you can also drag saved gearsets onto your hotbar to automatically swap when pressed
rough anchor
yeah I heavily recommend something like this, it's a HUGE QoL upgrade
kind burrow
can you rescue someone with surecast/Arm's length on?
obsidian patio
nope
agile laurel
Would anyone have any advice for going about finding a FC? Just bought full version, the half-dozen friends I have that play seem to be on different world/datacenters
dusky nest
you could either join one of them or if you want to stay on your server, you could try #603040765723148289 , the recruitment subreddit or just ask around in the main cities
agile laurel
Erm. Will have to check what it is I'm at then
rare sable
If ur new, its cheaper to just make a new character where your friends' server is...
agile laurel
good point but i'd personally rather not
obsidian patio
!action inner release
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!action fell cleave
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obsidian patio
about 3000 potency worth of Direct Crits jammed into 10 seconds or so of burst.
slate arrow
random technical question: I assume removed skills animation data still exist within the games files?
ember goblet
let me check... if cmt has access to job actions
slate arrow
I just want to know if it's possible to modify job action animation because holy fuck i hate soul eater in comparison to old deliurium or power slash
ember goblet
im not sure if that's even possible
slate arrow
damn.
agile laurel
after a brief search around I might save looking into FCs/switching to a friends' world decision for a later time. Thanks though
rough anchor
If I just had ||conrad|| die, how far am I from ending the SB main story and how far away from start of ShB?
ember goblet
well
slate arrow
you're 3 levels away from completing SB and you're still 5 patches away
ember goblet
seaarched into cmt
yes there are still old animations
can anyone confirm that this is an old skill and what it was?
obsidian patio
@rough anchor about 17 quests away from finishing stormblood base story and an additional 40 for Stormblood patch quests
obsidian patio
That looks like the skill that used to apply a damage buff
Kiss of the Viper/Kiss of the Wasp
agile laurel
also dumb new player question inc, is it normal that i've ended up outleveling absolutely everything that isn't MSQ?
ember goblet
uwu
slate arrow
do you have the road to 70 buff
rough anchor
@agile laurel yep, blame the road to 70 buff
ember goblet
found jugulate
agile laurel
i started out being able to do MSQ and sidequests and job quests and now the only thing I do is MSQ and job
ah. sad that
slate arrow
sidequests are really only there for flavor
dusky nest
sidequests arent really worth it anyway unless its 
slate arrow
if you wanna do them save them for a second job
agile laurel
well at this point I only know a couple of jobs i'm interested in
dusky nest
because the skills with them arent used anymore?
slate arrow
they didn't fit the current battle system 90% of the time or a new skill made them irrelevant
or in the case of dark knight, you have to use souleater for the job quests
god dammit yoshi-p
god I want impulse drive back now
ember goblet
i know the reason but 
slate arrow
jade stream
whats the shortened naming for bahamut? like, would 2nd coil turn 4 be called B9?
snow wyvern
if I meld materia into crafted gear that I haven't equipped yet does it bind to me
I want to gear my alt but have to transfer stuff through a friend
slate arrow
(it's the only time this happens since 2.0 raids were half dungeons half actual combat)
obsidian patio
Melding gear does not bind it to you
slate arrow
^
jade stream
ahh okay
slate arrow
yeah it's why later raids are referred to by the final boss
alexander = a1n/a1s, omega = o1n/o1s, eden = e1n/e1s
jade stream
[nods
wintry chasm
Well not the final boss but clearly the...focus of the raid I guess
forest laurel
not sure how I should be progressing in terms of gear
bc I can't do eden stuff just yet
and I'm considering just buying a neo-ishgardian set
wintry chasm
If you can't do Eden stuff yet then dungeons and tomestones
forest laurel
I'm literally 1 ilvl short from doing e1 lmao
slate arrow
for now: target getting your item level up to 460. you can easily get tomestones of phantasmagoria relatively quickly, and the latest dungeon gives 455 gear
wintry chasm
I see
forest laurel
"latest dungeon" being?
vernal urchin
Yeah the allegory tome gear is better than the Eden gear anyway
slate arrow
anameisis andyer
rough anchor
So I know that in general combat macros are a big yikes since they don’t have that leniency of counting a tap if it happens before it can be executed, but would the GNB’s continuation (not the whole big combo, just the follow-ups after each GCD) be an exception to that, or is it better to keep then separate
wintry chasm
I'm glad one of us can spell it
forest laurel
right I haven't unlocked that yet so I'll need to spam twinning
wintry chasm
Always keep them separate. What you said is one issue but they are straight up a DPS loss since they don't queue and slower than if you pressed them normally @rough anchor
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forest laurel
I have grand cosmos unlocked but ofc I need ilvl 430
agile laurel
Also odd question, but is there anyone here well versed in WoW and this game that i could bounce a few questions off in DM?
slate arrow
I haven't played wow but I can answer any questions you might have here
(my DMs are cluttered lmao please don't try to DM me)
agile laurel
Yeah, it's a few comparisons between the two
Cause I'm very aware of how to conduct myself in dungeons in WoW, but I suspect a few differences here
slate arrow
for dungeons tl;dr make sure you're geared up with at least the augumented tomestone set, pull balls to the wall until you die and then maybe tone down your pulls if either you or the healer can't keep up
(this is on aether. your mileage may vary on crystal)
slate arrow
mash that aoe combo until 2-3 targets, then do either AoE or Single Target depending on the job
twilit arch
dungeon etiquette doesn't really differentiate that much between wow and here
agile laurel
yeah it was more like
The novice trials seemed to tell me that in the event of adds, glass them before they go for highest threat/healer
Whereas I'd be used to 'the tank just picks up the adds'
twilit arch
its the same
twilit arch
aggro is pretty much easy breezy for the tanks to pick up
agile laurel
I thought maybe tanks were less mobile in this game or something
twilit arch
and tbh that trial is...honestly aimed more towards like boss fights, but even then its not entirely accurate
vernal urchin
There's sometimes a high priority target, like the bees in Qarn but for the most part it's just bag em and tag em
agile laurel
Right
twilit arch
as there's plenty of times where you can ignore adds and just burst down the boss
agile laurel
I'm also trying to get a feel for differences in enmity generation, cause I feel I know when I can just glass something that the tank's vaguely near but I'm trying to get an idea of whether I can't
slate arrow
you don't have to care about eminity
before shadowbringers everyone had tools for eminity management but nowdays
twilit arch
pretty much one swipe of a tank's aoe, they should be able to pick up any and all adds just fine
slate arrow
is tank stance on? > if yes, tank should always have aggro
twilit arch
^ pretty much
if the tank is losing aggro, they're doing something wrong is the long and short of it
slate arrow
(they made the multiplier go from like 3x to like 10x so you really shouldn't have any significant amount of eminity)
agile laurel
Mind you
Is there anything similar to tricks of the trade? Like, all enmity you generate is redirected to target?
agile laurel
damn
slate arrow
there's shirk
agile laurel
noted
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twilit arch
pretty much anything enmity related is all tank now
healers and dps have no means of dropping their's anymore, because realistically there's no way a tank with tank stance should be losing aggro
pretty much the only way they would be is if they don't have tank stance on or they're just auto attacking
agile laurel
Right
slate arrow
if they are, they either don't have tank stance on, or they're horrifically undergeared (which also shouldn't be possible with duty finder)
agile laurel
I guess tank enmity generation requires a bit less thinking than wow
slate arrow
(actually i revise that statement, you can be horrifically undergeared in a realm reborn dungeons still)
twilit arch
they wanted to make tanking a lot less scary for new people, so they made it pretty easy in terms of aggro management
there's no thought to it at all, its have tank stance on and do your combos
slate arrow
yeah enmity used to be a party job but it was really easy to throw as a result in Duty Finder
agile laurel
In WoW you basically just have to be cautious of a tank's not-main-target and a target engaged in the last 5 seconds
But the specs with disgusting burst have Shirk but 100%
wintry chasm
controllers have nothing to do with this
slate arrow
I imagine having to target the tank every time you go over them in enimity might be annoying though but that's a discussion for another time
agile laurel
Oh wait no ours isn't like that sorry
It uh, diverts all threat you cause for the next so-many
So if you're intending to go sicko mode, you tricks the tank
if you already ripped threat off, you kinda just die
slate arrow
also do note that tricks of the trade exists in FFXIV but as a crafter skill because crafters have hotbar actions for crafting
(fun fact of the morning)
agile laurel
hey our glamour is called transmogrification, shortened to just 'mogging' and that gave me a confuse believe you me
slate arrow
lmao
any other battle system related questions?
otherwise it just boils down to keep doing your combos and do your best to not stand in death puddles
agile laurel
No-oo don't think so
Death puddles I'm OK with
Combos I didn't figure came into it til I accidentally figured one out
Wow doesn't have that in the slightest so that's new for me
slate arrow
no version of WoW has combos? madness.
agile laurel
it's just 'on the GCD' or 'not on the GCD'
besides that you just press the right button for the occasion
also doesn't have an MSQ system but I've seen enough FFXIV players come to WoW and struggle over that hurdle that I'm fine with it
slate arrow
yeah the MSQ is definitely the main part when it's less MMO and more Final Fantasy
agile laurel
But yeah combos were something I never saw mentioned
Dunno how long Id have gone clueless if I hadn't accidentally found them
slate arrow
An Active Help window should've popped up when you unlocked your first combo action
oak ice
Combos were pretty intuitive, at least, you press 1 button and another lights up
slate arrow
yeah combo actions automatically light up on your hotbar
agile laurel
yep, got those
slate arrow
the game highlights your skills whenever you either have enough gauge or it's a combo action
agile laurel
I thought combos referred to not just casting once per GCD
and knowing what to press to do so
slate arrow
oh no combo actions are always on the GCD with only like 1 exception
what class/job are you playing currently
agile laurel
yeah I just have straight shot atm which kinda feels like a waste of a GCD but I expect it upgrades or something
slate arrow
oh nah
agile laurel
just unlocked bard. Level 32
slate arrow
tl;dr whenever your dots "hit" (every 3 seconds is a server tick) each dot has a 20% chance of giving you a job gauge charge (i forget what it's called but it starts with an R)
your first song, Mages Ballad, refreshes bloodletter for free
agile laurel
Repertoire potentially
agile laurel
Nice
slate arrow
But yeah Bard, Caster DPS (except for Red Mage), and Healers don't have combo actions
agile laurel
Yeah I went in wholly blind picking Bard, I main a hunter in WoW and FFXIV has no mmo-trope 'bow user with pets' hunter
I figured bard, machinist or summoner were my closest picks
slate arrow
not far off the mark
Shadowbringers Bard is closer to a hunter compared to Stormblood and older expansions Bard
agile laurel
and I heard summoner plays like something I don't like so I decided to not
vernal urchin
I didn't play before stormblood but Bard used to be bow mage, so I was told
agile laurel
Red mage sounded promising as a sort of half-half ranged melee which is very close to what I played
slate arrow
That was Heavensward
HW BRD and MCH used to have cast times for their attack skills
(which is also why you cross classed Scathe for BRD)
old systems are fun
cunning palm
i can just get i480 from market board and they are better than deepshadow and eden call right?
agile laurel
Well on my list to level would be Bard cause I think I main it, Astrologist cause the concept is cool, and possibly Samurai cause it seemed the most agreeable melee dps
slate arrow
yes, no
it's better than augumented deepshadow
but edencall is currently ilevel max and nothing beats it besides augumented crystarium gear in certain BiS situations
Samurai is fun since it's miles less positional sensitive
agile laurel
Oh joy above
slate arrow
it's just a small job gauge penalty compared to MNK which can lose out on a lot of DPS
agile laurel
WoW has one position sensitive subclass
slate arrow
but overall melee DPS isn't extremely positional reliant
unless you're MNK without your ignore positionals button/buff up
vernal urchin
Monk positionals aren't too hard to learn honestly
agile laurel
I saw a help tip about positioning, I assume it's also a catch-all about can't dodge/parry/block from behind?
slate arrow
oh an early patch used to have accuracy for a stat
and you got accuracy bonuses by being behind the boss
agile laurel
ahh
slate arrow
they removed it and replaced it with the direct hit stat
slate arrow
yes
agile laurel
Right, same as WoW lmao
Ours is can't dodge/parry/block from behind at ALL, the stats are ignored, but now it's so little of an issue you just ignore that logic
slate arrow
yeah no bosses don't get parry or block as a stat
vernal urchin
Certain actions have positionals but they're mostly relegated to melee dps, and even then for most jobs it's only a small handful of actions
agile laurel
glorious
slate arrow
while technically all mobs can dodge, it's a result of being underleveled since accuracy still technically exists but whenever you're on level it's effectively 100%
agile laurel
I was having enough misses to notice at really low levels
But now I kinda stopped noticing
slate arrow
yeah they did away with a lot of frustrating systems early on
there used to be elemental resistances :)
agile laurel
yep same here
you couldn't raid molten core without fire resist
and now it doesn't happen
slate arrow
Anyways enough about misc. fun facts about the game before 5.2, unless you still have questions and/or comparisons
slate arrow
👍
agile laurel
my current progress is just doing MSQ and, by request, spamming my friends' DMs for dungeon queues
oh actually speaking of
is it worth doing instances when not directed by MSQ? I feel all that'd gain is overleveling me even more
lean minnow
https://prnt.sc/rmhufc
Would overmelding a VIII first be a bad idea?
I've never done any overmelding. Is there any whm overmelding guide?
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!faq balance
zinc orbitBOT
lean minnow
I;m there already but they didn't respond
agile laurel
the msq did tell me about materia but I kinda glazed over on the assumption I wouldn't need to think about it til max
slate arrow
yeah you can ignore materia until level 80
@agile laurel if you're over the level of the currently MSQ quest, (especially with Road to 70) you can ignore it, otherwise you should definitely at least do the quest until you unlock the dungeon because a lot of leveling dungeons are behind
agile laurel
also I take it I'm not allowed to ask about anything that, afaik technically is 
slate arrow
nah it's fine here
agile laurel
oh good
slate arrow
just don't mention it in game
agile laurel
yepyep
slate arrow
because yoshi-p and the FFXIV team take a grey area stance on parsers
as well as mods
agile laurel
as far as I can gauge it they kinda operate on 'as long as we don't see'
slate arrow
yep
agile laurel
WoW players swear by an addon that does a lot, adds timers to boss abilities, puts markers on players, screams at you when you need to do something, utilises /say to announce stuff targeted at you
I know some of this would be hard monkatos
but is there anything similarly sworn-by
whole wasp
nope
slate arrow
you don't need any of those since endgame raiding is more like rehearsing a dance that can go one of two ways
agile laurel
oh thank god
slate arrow
if you're stupid like me, you can also set up ACT triggers which have voicelines to help you
agile laurel
so many guilds in WoW raid with DBM as mandatory
wintry chasm
But nothing to that level you said
agile laurel
hated it
open coral
@agile laurel XIV's boss abilities are always very well telegraphed, to the point that something like DBM would be entirely redundant.
slate arrow
also, PS4 players have access to none of those so you're really not supposed to use them (ACT and addons)
agile laurel
Yeah
open coral
Every marker, it's very obvious how you need to react to it.
silent pike
@agile laurel Imo it's worth doing just so you have some variety when you start spamming roulettes at endgame
agile laurel
I always got by in WoW by linking voiceline-telegraphing to the mechanic
until I got forced by my raid team to install DBM
open coral
I mean, that's basically what DBM does anyways, in addition to tracking timers.
agile laurel
yup
i never knew why folks think it's mandatory
i mean when I was forced, I just turned every bit off so it'd pass a raid check but not actually do anything and here I am
¯_(ツ)_/¯
anyway
glad to know that at least
whole wasp
because blizzard in their infinite wisdom decided to design raid encounters assuming the players had that add-on
at least thats what i heard
agile laurel
Hm
I wouldn't say that
Some fights are a mechanical nightmare, like heroic Azshara
when you have scrolling-pages of mechanics and 2 pages of adds it's gonna be fire
open coral
Yeah, that is kind of how it works. They assume you have a mechanics tracking addon like DBM or Bigwigs, which allowed them to make less telegraphed mechanics.
silent pike
XIV raids is more memorization than anything. Once you do the fight enough times you'll know where to be for any given mechanic
agile laurel
Which is how I always played anyway. Glorious
open coral
XIV is 100% a dance that you can learn. It's pretty awesome that way.
agile laurel
Yeah that's how I did WoW
slate arrow
FFXIV almost every major mechanic is either visually telegraphed or has a cast bar associated with it
open coral
You might struggle the first couple of times you do a (normal) fight, but once you know the flow and pattern of attacks, you'll be fine.
agile laurel
i do reckon i could do heroic N'zoth blindfolded with no audio at this point tbqh
silent pike
In savage there are less telegraphs but you'll still have an idea of where everything is
open coral
Savage and Ex are a different story. Telegraphs are shorter reaction time.
agile laurel
right
silent pike
For example in e6s the wind orbs don't have telegraphs like they do in normal mode. You'll just end up knowing where to stand to be out of their way
slate arrow
savage still has telegraphs but generally they're a little more obscure
agile laurel
Oh so like
Normal will have a telegraph for fire that's in a circle round, say, the melee
But savage will just not have the corona
open coral
Yeah, basically.
silent pike
Most of the time telegraphs in high end raiding are either too fast to react to just based off that or they aren't even there
agile laurel
Gotcha
slate arrow
normal mode always has a telegraph/death puddle pops up 90% of the time
savage and extremes tend to do away with death puddles or they only flash right before hitting
silent pike
Pretty much yeah
open coral
Or if the target circle does appear, it won't stick around for much longer than to let you know where it's going to be.
hot crane
uh, I can't hire retainer. is that because I am in 30 days free to play period provided by the starter pack? O_O
tribal wave
trying to meld: is 2.37s GCD a good number?
agile laurel
I do feel very slow but I expect either everyone else is or something unlocks
tribal wave
I'm going to work on direct hit if it is, just checking to be sure
silent pike
It's a bit fast imo @tribal wave but it depends on class
tribal wave
drk
slate arrow
eh yeah that's fine
open coral
If you're under level 50 or 60, you're going to feel slow because of the gcd.
silent pike
DRK 2.38 is probably where you max out
open coral
And lack of ogcd abilities.
agile laurel
nah like movement-wise
tribal wave
ahh
silent pike
But you can do lower + food
open coral
Oh
slate arrow
you just want to be able to fit in 5 GCDs in delierum
open coral
Yeah, no, that never changes.
tribal wave
time to fit in direct hit mats then haha
agile laurel
right
open coral
Use Sprint
cunning palm
is it faster to do MSQ duty roulette / alliance?
open coral
If you're BRD/MCH/DNC you can also use Peloton
slate arrow
alliance roulette
silent pike
I'm around 2.41 and can fit all the stuff I need in buff windows
slate arrow
MSQ roulette has forced cutscenes and takes anywhere from 30 to 50 minutes
agile laurel
In WoW I'm used to not only having sprint, but being able to use something quite like Repelling Shot's jump only untargeted
silent pike
Alliance and MSQ both have the highest exp rewards
agile laurel
so i'm quite fast
agile laurel
but if the level of movement speed is just different
Oh yeah you speak WoW don't you lmao
forgot that
same here, kinda
hot crane
I've finished the " The Scions of the Seventh Dawn" which is requirement for hiring a retainer tho
agile laurel
survival mainly but BM when being melee is just not fun
open coral
We're getting off topic tho 😄
agile laurel
yepyep
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@hot crane have you joined a grand company yet
hot crane
yes
open coral
We can continue this in #not-ffxiv-discussion or #video-games-general if you'd like
agile laurel
But yeah I guess the order of the day is 'just keep leveling'
slate arrow
yep
open coral
Definitely just keep leveling.
slate arrow
keep leveling and grinding at the MSQ
also be prepared for the hurdle that is the 2.x MSQ
hot crane
ill look into it ty
slate arrow
it's long
open coral
Level everything. Unlock all the 
and
cunning palm
why do i have a certain pose when im not moving? instead of the default one, where can i set it back?
agile laurel
I'd quite like to find friends so I think I decide between switching to a world where at least one of my friends are, or finding a FC
open coral
What world are you on right now?
agile laurel
marlboro
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i'd say stick with your friends for now
agile laurel
malboro, sorry
i figured my friends were on crystal and the ping from EU to Crystal wasn't too bad
slate arrow
ultimately this game is an MMORPG, and it's always better with friends
consider using a VPN if your latency sucks
agile laurel
although they joyously neglected to inform me how worlds worked
open coral
Yeah, going to a world where your friends are and/or joining their FC there will definitely enhance your game experience.
open coral
Yeah, I know. Datacenters perform the same way that WoW regions do.
open coral
So you can still add friends who exist on another world on your datacenter to your friends list, or make a crossworld linkshell with them.
agile laurel
Yeah I managed to add one of my friends cause they came over
open coral
You can go to them as well.
agile laurel
yeah
i'll probably inquire about their FC
unsure if they're even in one but I'd assume they ar
open coral
From that standpoint, it is the same as WoW servers. You can only join an FC that is based on your server.
open coral
Not entirely, no.
agile laurel
I guess world visit felt clunky comparatively to me cause of the hard block on social stuff as trial
open coral
Trial has basically no social capacity, which I think is the biggest downfall.
I've joined random FCs before.
slate arrow
i mean nothing wrong with joining a random FC
agile laurel
Funny thing is, I could receive all social aspects
open coral
It's usually not a bad thing.
agile laurel
but not send any
open coral
Unless it's a cult. Don't join a cult.
agile laurel
So I couldn't even tell this random person that I couldn't join due to trial restriction
slate arrow
oh nice
open coral
\o/
agile laurel
kinda here cause the DLCs are installing and it's taking an age
slate arrow
yeah that sucks but it's so worth it
zinc orbitBOT
agile laurel
i think there's some kind of FC on my world for like, JUST lalas
open coral
Probably
agile laurel
i kept bumping into an intimidatingly dressed Lala named Very Tall
open coral
Lalas are the Gnomes of XIV
agile laurel
which had some menacing energy lemme say
slate arrow
anyways that's enough off topic
open coral
If you see them, you /pat them.
agile laurel
a
So yeah i guess i keep leveling
hopefully MSQ hasn't caught up to my level enough to require me to turn on the brain
slate arrow
if you have road to 70 active you'll be good until you hit shadowbringers
agile laurel
hopefully no jinx but no deaths yet and idk what being at half hp looks like
slate arrow
also do be prepared for a new title screen because the game always has your current installed expac as your title screen
agile laurel
same as wow. gotcha.
open coral
Yes, should be your priority. You should do that look interesting to you, and definitely do the one at level 50 that unlocks the Crystal Tower Alliance raid.
agile laurel
Was a mercy figuring out I preferred archer/bard to conjurer/whm and unlocking the blessed ability to kite
open coral
WHM is an easy healer and good for short dungeon queues.
I main as WHM
But I am totally not biased in any way...
agile laurel
before I played I saw astrologist and thought it was a cool asf concept
slate arrow
oh yeah protip: you want short dungeon queues? there's always a healer shortage
agile laurel
so I'm really just gonna save learning a heal role til I can get it
open coral
AST will be available as a level 30 starting job once you reach Heavensward (first expansion) content.
So you'll be in level 50 content when you can unlock it.
slate arrow
^
agile laurel
oh right, not dead long then
open coral
You said you just upgraded from the trial today?
slate arrow
oh once you hit level 50 you have some 100 odd MSQ quests before you get into heavensward
open coral
Right... not long 😄
agile laurel
oh
slate arrow
:suffer:
agile laurel
well honestly we're all shut inside here, what else am i gonna do
slate arrow
lmao fair enough
wintry chasm
More if you factor in all the dungeon queue times and actually doing it
open coral
Don't skip all the cutscenes.
agile laurel
Well friends told me to harass them for instant dungeon queues
open coral
They're actually Relevant to Story.
wintry chasm
Just don't try to rush into Heavensward. It's where most people go wrong and since they are trying to rush it they get frustrated by the post ARR main story
agile laurel
and it's kinda sad but i have all my glamours planned out
slate arrow
nah fashion is the true endgame
agile laurel
and i'm trying to stay aware of when I can start shopping
wintry chasm
Glamour is the true endgame
open coral
^
agile laurel
i've got this hat that's ilvl 5 but i love it too much
agile laurel
I know I should glam it but I assume that wears off if I get an upgrade hat
yeah I have glam unlocked
slate arrow
nah
open coral
Then you just glam it again
slate arrow
glamour items are never consumed
open coral
^
slate arrow
in fact, you should go to an inn and put it in the glamour dresser
then you can apply it infinitely for free
agile laurel
Yeah I figured that was all the case, same as WoW but I didn't know if it was actually worth the
...cost
well
open coral
Just make sure you have a glamour prism available to put it in the dresser.
wintry chasm
glamour prisms are super easy to get anyways once you get around the level 20 main story
slate arrow
the only thing that is consumed for glamours are prisms and/or dispellers
you get a few from the unlock quest
and extra ones are like 500 grand company seals each
or a pretty gil off the marketboard
open coral
mutters It would be cheaper if glamours cost gil instead...
agile laurel
so you're sayin that if I register my hat to the glamour dresser and spend glamour prisms once, I can set it for free forever?
slate arrow
yes
open coral
Yep
agile laurel
oh that's good
slate arrow
you just have to either visit an inn or set it in a glamour plate
agile laurel
can I only set from certain places
wintry chasm
Yes and no
slate arrow
glamour plates can only be applied in safe zones (cities, namely)
agile laurel
I think I selected glamour plate once and it threw a UI up at me and I noped out as 'must read up later'
wintry chasm
Yeah the glamour dresser is hard to explain imo
slate arrow
tl;dr deposit item in glamour dresser for 1 glamour prism.
you can then apply it for free until you remove it
agile laurel
makes sense
wintry chasm
Put them on plates to create "outfits" and you can link those to your gearsets
to auto swap
slate arrow
you can also save sets to plates, which you can apply anywhere in a city
wintry chasm
You can do both
agile laurel
this is good knowledge
slate arrow
you just have to do it from the dresser
agile laurel
why did i not know this
open coral
Because you're new
agile laurel
i guess I'll try to figure that out
wintry chasm
It's not that in your face either
open coral
You're not supposed to know everything when you're new
slate arrow
the game doesn't exactly teach you this haha
agile laurel
true but as a hat enthusiast i thought I'd have found that by now in my research lmao
wintry chasm
It quickly mentions it and never again
void canopy
If you put something in your dresser it gets consumed though
wintry chasm
Before you couldn't take it out but a number of patches ago they made it so you can retrieve the items
void canopy
Lol
agile laurel
well it's an ilvl 5 hat so i'm not likely to actually need it
twilit arch
they changed it like a patch later
void canopy
Oh maybe that's why I figured that
wintry chasm
Probably
void canopy
Lol
slate arrow
slap that sucker in and just make a habit of going to the inn whenever you get a new hat
agile laurel
i have a shopping list of hats i want but most are later game i think
void canopy
I like the arr BLM pvp hat
open coral
All about hats?
void canopy
Well I like the whole set
agile laurel
I think the hats I wanted are crafted, insofar as I could tell
agile laurel
I've never been a fan of MMO pvp, such that i don't feel i'll be a fan of this one
slate arrow
fair enough
void canopy
Gear also doesn't matter in pvp
slate arrow
FFXIV PVP is more like mario party
wintry chasm
Good because PvP in this game isn't hugely popular
agile laurel
i-
slate arrow
everyone is set to the same level and the kits are extremely streamlined down
void canopy
The daily frontline roulette also gives a decent chunk of exp
agile laurel
I was about to ask if gear really doesn't matter to the extent my small hat child can just walk in against folks with statted slotted raid gear
slate arrow
yes gear doesn't matter in PVP
wintry chasm
You could go in butt naked
slate arrow
it used to but they did away with it in stormblood
slate arrow
it's still decent fun though, especially with the current frontline mode.
I'd say check it out whenever you start feeling bored
agile laurel
Well I have a decent amount of stuff to do
like I know I want to level samurai but not dead sure when
open coral
After you get a job to 50
agile laurel
reckon? thought DLC jobs started high-ish
open coral
RDM/SAM require you have a character at level 50. GNB/DNC require a character at 60.
wintry chasm
That's when you can unlock it
open coral
I say "character" but I mean "job"
wintry chasm
DRK/AST/MCH are weird but they require you to reach the Heavensward story before you can unlock
slate arrow
they're the only weird ones fortunately
but they also get to dig into ishgard lore in their job quests if you're into that kinda thing
slate arrow
all of them do
open coral
Everything has hats
slate arrow
AST has good hats
agile laurel
yeah but there's hats and Hats
vernal urchin
Bard hats are the best hats
agile laurel
anyway
wintry chasm
AST has some amazing hats
agile laurel
Yeah the uhm
open coral
BLM has the biggest hats
vernal urchin
Most of the Bard hats are similar to that
hybrid hamlet
Look for diabolic hat of aiming
slate arrow
oh you get that one from the level 60 job quest
hybrid hamlet
best hat for bards
vernal urchin
Big brim, feather
agile laurel
level 60 quest? oh
wintry chasm
That is bard only @agile laurel
open coral
"antiquated" means it's part of an artifact gear set.
agile laurel
Ohh
open coral
So it's locked to that specific job (which happens to be BRD)
agile laurel
Yeah I'm unsure how stat-variations alter appearance, if at all
slate arrow
you don't need to worry about it
agile laurel
Well I was going to use it for bard glam, so hey for convenience
agile laurel
I have one for bard, one for ast and one for samurai planned out
agile laurel
i've tried to source a lot of the pieces but i really doubt I'm reading stuff right so
i'm just keeping half an eye out
vernal urchin
Yeah I wouldn't stress over it
slate arrow
^
agile laurel
although I am pretty sure the other hats I wanted are crafted by weavers
open coral
You will eventually have everything you could ever want
agile laurel
so I suppose that's just a matter of throw money at the market whenever I can
wintry chasm
Find a crafter friend
agile laurel
and hope I actually have spending money and am not horrifically deluding myself as to the value of items
agile laurel
Yeah I would harass my friends for hats but I'm not sure how cross-world works, if at all
agile laurel
Oh? Good. They're getting harassed for hats
slate arrow
lmao
open coral
lol
I almost always hide my hats. There are very few hats that show off my kitty ears.
slate arrow
imagine wearing hats