#💬｜general-chat

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astral goblet
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coming from a 3d artist background, yeah, maybe i take details like that for granted

fervent thunder
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my background is about a month of obsessive self teaching. so, the small details are important for me lol

icy quest
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well i have the processor create the pose with the open pose

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but then it still ignores it and does its own thing

astral goblet
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preprocessor

fervent thunder
icy quest
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kay

astral goblet
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have you downloaded any controlnet models?

icy quest
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i have the 1.4 or idk

astral goblet
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you need to put controlnet models into the folder the extension looks for them in

icy quest
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oh my control net generally works i think and i did that in the past when i first set it up

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actually starting to think its a model issue

karmic cedar
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😦

astral goblet
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you have to use the contorlnet that matches the model architecture. if you have sdxl loaded, you need sdxl controlnet models

karmic cedar
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^

pearl ocean
indigo ermine
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Dang… now Emad is stepping down too? What's to become of Stable Diffusion?

astral goblet
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blockchain

dapper valley
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bro when diffusion bot will be availablee?

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anyone?

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@sudden ruin

astral goblet
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i think all internal people are told to stay quiet for now

karmic cedar
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Stability is going to float around in economic space until a fish big enough and bad enough swims by to swallow it whole.

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Meanwhile, on land, bears and dragons roam

daring mountain
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whats the best tool to change clothes on a photo I have? and put a "logo" on it? can stable diffusion do that with inpainting or is there something faster/easier to use?

pale latch
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they've partnered with blockchain companies so i mean, they've sunk. blockchains don't float. only held up by massive institutional fraud

karmic cedar
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in an ideal world, NANO would’ve taken off more with its mining-free approach

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that’s another story tho lol

daring mountain
pale latch
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blockchhains are a whole lot of idealism

karmic cedar
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exactly my point

daring mountain
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full time crypto trader/investor here

karmic cedar
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I’m sorry.

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lol

daring mountain
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lol

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i understand why u guys have such a negative view

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its okay

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99% scam

pale latch
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basically a gambling addict. hope you''re okay

daring mountain
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thats how it always is with revolutionary tech

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yeah im okay enjoying my freedom from hard work

pale latch
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the only thihng crypto has managed to revolutionize is crime markets

karmic cedar
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Well, it comes down to human nature. Humans don’t want public ledgers.

sudden ruin
daring mountain
pale latch
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its not even decentralized. crypto verification nodes are owned by a few and will only continue to consolidate

karmic cedar
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i’d recommend using Stable Diffusion along with some control nets, like canny maybe

daring mountain
karmic cedar
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mostly for isolating the features you’d like to change.

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otherwise, you can try photoshop’s inpainting feature

daring mountain
karmic cedar
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the shirt, mostly. the logo depends on what you’re wanting to use, whether you want it to be in-painted along with the shirt or if you want to bring it in from another process / workflow

daring mountain
karmic cedar
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so ideally you’d want to do a mockup in PS, where you’re just doing a basic superimpose on a shirt. Then you could try doing an img2img using that as your base input.

pale latch
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crypto being decentralized is a big ol lie. It's in control of those with the most wealth, as usual

dusk canopy
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Crypto is shit

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Simple as that

karmic cedar
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it’s reality preying on the ideal

dusk canopy
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Anyomw who does any crypto stuff is scamming or money laundering

karmic cedar
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There are individuals with wealth who are trying harder than others, i.e. Mark Cuban

pale latch
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its the kind of shit that gets everywhere and people fetish themselves over

karmic cedar
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with his pharmaceutical ventures

dusk canopy
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Crypto wastes too much power

pale latch
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Bill Gates with the B&M Gates Foundation

dusk canopy
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Mining etc graphics cards

daring mountain
karmic cedar
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yep, say what you will about him as a human but relatively speaking, he and melinda have both done a lot of philanthropy

dusk canopy
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💀

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It's all an act

pale latch
# dusk canopy Crypto wastes too much power

they've got rid of that con i think. a few networks do the value through wasted energy thing still. the big one just cuts that middle man right out and gives control to those who are rich , straight up

dusk canopy
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He didn't do it for charity he did it for brand image

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And appearances

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Fuck him he hates open source

karmic cedar
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well, he could’ve gone steve jobs and done zero philanthropy

dusk canopy
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I respect mark Zuckerberg more

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I think he's redeemed himself kinda

pale latch
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Bill Gates can jump over a chair. Show me another Billionaire that can do that

karmic cedar
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you think zucks is going to let people visit his bunker?

dusk canopy
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Who the fuck would need. Abunker

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Loll

karmic cedar
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him

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in hawaii

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rn

dusk canopy
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If there was a nuclear incident

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He'd still go insane

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No social interaction

pale latch
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go?

daring mountain
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how do i tell stable diffusion to give me photo of woman from above torso

dusk canopy
pale latch
dusk canopy
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Put naked and nude

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In negative

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There is a lot of bias

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Especially if you only put "women"

karmic cedar
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also try half body portrait

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in your prompt

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I think it’s time to make a Mortal Kombat parody but with all of the big AI companies as the characters

daring mountain
karmic cedar
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lol

split kestrel
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just reset the whole system. works now

pale latch
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ahh the ol turning it off and on again fix

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❤️

split kestrel
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lol

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well... I couldnt figure out what the missing thing was

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thankfully its not a huge system to re-build

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So now Im trying to figure out the better workflow for video if its SVD or animate?

zinc egret
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ok i m blasted by webui forge .. for those without rtx ..it speed up my process by 60% ..ok gtx user it work ... a special thanks to @mojo... 😉

raven agate
# split kestrel So now Im trying to figure out the better workflow for video if its SVD or anima...

That depends lol. SVD is good for animate still images, you can use a workflow to use prompts to generate an image to use as the int for SVD, and etc, but, it's still Animating a still image, but it does it about as well as Pika Labs and RunwayML Gen 2. Better sometimes but you gotta play with it and tweak it. I use loras with it to speed it up, but I prefer using it in forge.

AnimateDiff on the other hand. You can work it into vid to vid workflows. Use it for text to Image, or set it up for img2vid. I use it to convert 3D rendered vids into realistic vids or comic book styles and etc.

Both are good, but different applications. I'll often extract frames from my svd vids, use a frame as an int for the next svd run, discard the ones after, then stitch them together to make a cohesive video. But that's usually when I'm going for something more artistic representation and less story centric.

split kestrel
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full transparency, Im working on stage thing that doesnt exist yet 🙂

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I dont need a full on txt->img cuz I have that concept down

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its animating the still images

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ive been working with the core basics of SVD most of the day now that I have it working again. trying to find the limits

raven agate
astral goblet
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animatediff has sparsectrl now but i haven't tested enough to decide if its better or not

raven agate
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Plug in image, insert prompt, video comes out lol

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AnimateDiff doesn't really shine unless you dive into crazy workflows.

split kestrel
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Im using a text to img to video workflow for the svxd model

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sorry svd_xt?

raven agate
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Xl

astral goblet
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automatic1111 with the cn and ad extension shine. keepin all possibilities under one umbrella. there are great workflows for comfyui in the realm, but so much is possible easily with the extensions

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stable video diffusion is based on sd2.1

split kestrel
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What I will end up spending my life learning... is how to make the video as smooth as possible, then taking those last frames and blending them into a new thing.... and compiling to a final output

astral goblet
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animatediff works on sd15. beta motion module for sdxl but its beta

raven agate
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This is true, the xl is beta still. 1.5 is more predictable and stable

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Svd xl is Different, the XL version works better than the 1.5 for svd.

split kestrel
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Ive been looking at a workflow on civit?

  1. AnimateLCM Lora & Motion module
  2. Dreamshaper SDXL Lightning (or any SDXL checkpoint combined with Lightning Lora)
  3. Photon (or any SD1.5 checkpoint)
  4. SparseCtrl rgb (available in comfy manager)
  5. IP-Adapter (available in comfy manager)
  6. Clip vision for IP-Adapter (available in comfy manager - CLIP-ViT-H-14-laion2B-s32B-b79K)
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but this is a leap toward animate?

signal cave
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would someone be so kind as to give me suggestions on how to make a hologram-like picture in stable diffusion? i want it to look like cortana from halo.

raven agate
split kestrel
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is it kinda the same end result? only more control over the model ?

raven agate
# split kestrel is it kinda the same end result? only more control over the model ?

Same end result, the lora is just baked in so you don't have to load it separately. Or if you meant cfg and steps, steps significantly more control. 1 through 9 is one possible image with varying quality, 2 to 4s usually good for me, but 9 can look way better or worse lol. Then 10 through like 19, and etc. Once you cross that threshold there's a big shift usually. So more control in that sense.

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Cfg pretty much has to be in the 1 to 2 range, maybe 3. But low low cfg is usually required. Steps can vary depending on what you're going for.

split kestrel
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you talking ksampler?

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for steps?

raven agate
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Nah, you'll need to use the LCM or the SDE one

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For sampler

split kestrel
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ok, I havnt taken a dive int othat other workflow yet. I just love the end results i have seen

raven agate
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Otherwise you won't benefit from the lighting model or the LCM models.

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The workflow you posted is good.

split kestrel
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it lo0oks amazing.

raven agate
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ComfyUI became super easy awhile back with the manager. Just click on install missing nodes lol

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Bam, workflow

split kestrel
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I wanted to explore the SVD workflow to see what was cool

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thi 25 frame stuff sucks lol

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I dont think I understand the condition as much as I thought I did... im trying to translate film into this thing

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video frames = the length... but falls apart after 25 I think if I read this right

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motion bucket is how much action to push in that short time

astral goblet
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also, you ought to be vetting every node you install instead of just trusting everyone else did

split kestrel
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but fps..... is not frames... so that one confuses me

astral goblet
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nothing significant. just make sure that it's not something causing electron mining or anything

split kestrel
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that swhy I killed my files and rebuilt

astral goblet
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the "fps" setting in automatic1111 extension only determins the rendered file's fps. nothing to do with the generation process. this may be the same on the node side of things

split kestrel
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ok, that was the thought!

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so 30-60fps should not be out of line

astral goblet
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i often do 60fps files , albiet with the frame interpolation as provided by the deforum extension

true canopy
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first time ive seen staff being in here posting sd3 images, what a time to be alive

split kestrel
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lol

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staff is having fun I guess?

true canopy
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i hope so

fervent thunder
true canopy
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nothing is going on, haha, idk how often they are here posting images

raven agate
astral goblet
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took 3 and a half minutes

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people keep telling me that comfyui is better for animatediff, but i dont get it.

split kestrel
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uhhhh

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you mean svd?

astral goblet
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i keep hearing it about animatediff

split kestrel
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I thought that was a module

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liek a node.

astral goblet
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i'm throwing a dancing openpose video at it now. 250 frames. gonna go have some dinner and will upload it when i'm back.

the extension on a1 loads the motion modules

split kestrel
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(im gonna ruin terms till I better understand them.. so sorry)

astral goblet
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your spy name is the term ruiner

split kestrel
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makes me happy, first time ive given the grpahics card this much of a workout since mining coin

astral goblet
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controlnet + animatediff for 250 frames is only taking my gpu to 13.5gb. fp8 support babyyy. harder to set up in comfyui. checkbox in a1

split kestrel
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whats your gpu?

astral goblet
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4080

split kestrel
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3090ti here

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well, if anyone works inside comfy and has any video workflows they dont mind sharing 🙂

raven agate
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I also use forge and automatic1111

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They all have their strengths.

astral goblet
raven agate
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I'm running an rtx 4090, it depends on what you're attempting to do.

astral goblet
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whenever i turn fp8 on in comfyui, most of the custom nodes flop. workflows aren't set up for them. so i guess i go learn entirely new workflows? meh

raven agate
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But the vram definitely has been more of an issue with automatic than comfy with animateDiff. I can do much higher resolutions and much longer videos in comfy.

astral goblet
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i have a 4080

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i only get memory problems at higher resolutions

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if i switch on comfyui's fp8 mode, i get the same max resolutions in it as i do with automatic. 2048x2048 ish. not all prompts or settings are the same

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and at those resolutions, more tokens can make all the difference

raven agate
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My videos are usually 2 to 4 minutes, so squeezing out the extra vram is a must for me lol.

astral goblet
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i think that once you know how to use both systems, they're really all the same underlying libraries. they have the same peak efficiency

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video length doesn't matter. just context batch size.

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and animate diff can't go over a certain batch size anyways

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added things like controlnets are the biggest memory hogs. or lora's

raven agate
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Yeah, after working with and on extensions, nodes, and etc for all 3 I can say. ComfyUI is the most optimized, making it faster and allows for higher resolutions, offers the most customization. Automatic1111 is the least optimized but the most robust, it has more extensions than any other and it's well maintained. Large community. Forge is a bit in the middle, most of Automatic1111 extensions work in it. Some that use to work in Automatic1111 still work in Forge. It's more optimized than auto with more extensions that comfy putting it somewhere in the middle. SVD XL works pretty good on Forge as well.

astral goblet
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nah. confirmation biases go hard. i'm not sure what you're doing that makes a1 1.8 eat the most memory, but it doesn't have to.

raven agate
astral goblet
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forge uses the memory management code from comfyui and consequently has less efficient fp8 memory usage than auto1111 1.8 does.

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the fp8 support is just bonkers in comfy ecosystem. it uses half the memory footprint so i mean.. okay.. squeeze your ada card

raven agate
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I mean, you can literally monitor things and see 😅. It's not an option, that's just the objective strengths of each 🤷‍♂️. To eliminate biases tools to measure resource usage are used and the code is analyzed 😅.

opal hedge
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How do I switch to fp8

astral goblet
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i code surf all the time but it doesn't mean i'm an expert on this stuff. i just hope that if i stare long enough it becomes apparant to me whats going on.

usually i rely on metrics

astral goblet
opal hedge
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I'm on comfy

astral goblet
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comfy its like 1 of 3 command line launch switches but you have to use custom nodes that work with it

opal hedge
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Ah, screw that then

raven agate
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But to each their own. I'm mainly here to see what's going on with SD lol.

astral goblet
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forge has the checkbox too but it uses the udnerlying comfyui memory code

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its literally half the memory footprint and people are so often "nah" cause it has shit support

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and on Ada cards, its got hardware support for it so theres no speed hit

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but people are like "nah. comfy is better"

opal hedge
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comfy is better if you have more vram I guess

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A1111 and forge are nice but they lack the same amount of fine control

astral goblet
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even then... that more vram is effectively doubled in fp8

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i don't find benefit in most node graphs. there's few i seen in comfyui that i think would be difficult to replicate in a1. animated regional prompting for example.

fallen drum
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Used 3090 24g vs 4070ti super 16 g ?

opal hedge
true canopy
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prob 3090

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if theya re same price

vague pond
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really have to wonder when forge will get more updates, it's been two weeks, and they just happened to have stopped taking merges from upstream when my refiner fixes got merged

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and the other thing I got PR'd into A1111 is also coincidentally broken agonyconsuming

shell tendon
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oddly enough i'm finding i'm getting the fastest inference with forge now, faster than comfy, idk why

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a1111, fully updated etc, still 2x as slow (on a 4090 5950x 64gb ram setup)

raven agate
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Though I may be mistaking it for another lol

shell tendon
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i had to roll back

hoary wigeon
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Hi is any one here

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I have question

stone latch
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Ask away, I'll probably go afterwards 🙂

hoary wigeon
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I have pic already generated by stable diffusion…… i want to replace the character

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How i can do it

stone latch
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You can do it using inpainting most likely 🤔 It depends

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More involved methods would involve using controlnets

low moon
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background remover

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theyre a dime a dozin

rich plume
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у кого стоит нейронка на амд? у меня rx 7600, и уже много что попробовал не запускается

cedar quiver
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This might be a bit of a smoothbrain question, but, is it better to always generate stuff without HiRes fix and then, when you want the image Bigger+Better, run the exact same seed with HiRes Fix?
I'm on Euler A, so I think seed reproducibility SHOULD be on the high side, but I'm also using Dynamic Thresholding which might skew the overall behavior

shell tendon
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I don't think the seed actually matters at all tbh

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It only matters if all parameters are the same including resolution

pale latch
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the seed is just how the initial noise is calculated

delicate tiger
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anyone experienced with the Krita generator?

fervent thunder
cedar quiver
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Remind me how I use that?

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I've had some trouble figuring out where that's actually kept in the UI
Extras?

fervent thunder
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anyone have preferred browser to run their ui on? i normally use firefox for everything, but it does not play nicely with the webui's , it seems. chrome, it ran a little better but i just really dont like the browser. tbh edge seems the best so far, just wondering if anyone has a better alternative

forest trout
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Firefox works fine for my use cases.

fervent thunder
cedar quiver
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Ah, okay, that's why it wasn't appearing

fervent thunder
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yep 😄 i was scratching my head looking for it the other day lol

cedar quiver
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There's a button to send image and generation parameters to img2img, so

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For clarity this is on an XL model, but, there's a lot of options here besides the upscaler

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do I need to change Type, the tile settings, padding etc or can I leave those alone

fervent thunder
# forest trout Firefox works fine for my use cases.

my biggest complaint with firefox, and this happens in both forge and a1111, even with a clean install and nothing but default extensions, is that refreshing anything causes everything listed to be greyed out. not a huge deal, just mildly annoying. also have to change the canvas zoom hotkeys from default or change hotkey settings in firefox to make it work properly

fervent thunder
cedar quiver
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My base image was 832 x 1216, and I was thinking of just 2x sizing it, so

fervent thunder
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oh, and i set it to scale from image size

cedar quiver
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how should i configure the tiles?

fervent thunder
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yeah, just do uhhh scale from image size, 2x, and bring your tile width up to as high as you think your gpu can handle

cedar quiver
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what about height, and, should tile width not exceed a certain amount?

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like i guess i'll try 1024

fervent thunder
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tbh, i havent tried setting it over image size. not sure what that would do, try it and let me know 😄

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also if you fuck around with the settings just right, you can abuse the tile settings to create mosaics !

cedar quiver
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it didn't copy the seed over

rip

fervent thunder
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should still be in txt2im g tab. or, worst case scenario, just drop the original generation into png info tab. thatll have seed

cedar quiver
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yeah no worries i'll just copy it over next time

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this so far seems
SUBSTANTIALLY slower though, although usually mine are 1.5 on hires, not 2x

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so that may be part of it, and the tile width is just 1024

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it is on 4xultrasharp_4xultrasharpv10 (why are there two of these in the settings on forge? idk)

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oh that was pure chaos

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that did Not work properly

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i'm gonna leave ultimate upscale alone for right now

fervent thunder
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haha i bet its the tile width

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try lowering it to like, half of your image width

cedar quiver
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i need a clearer correlation between img size and tile width or else it'll be a lot of spent time for weird results i feel like

fervent thunder
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so 430ish. should run much faster that way

fervent thunder
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best i can tell, setting tile width to half image or full image width is best as it minimizes seams, and dont have to run seam fix that way.

rigid vale
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a future showroom of environment & desert

flint fox
unkempt stream
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a future showroom of environment & desert

flint fox
sudden ruin
flint fox
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I know, but those messages makes my head hurt 🫠

languid parcel
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Hi all. I'm new here and was just wondering where to post questions. I see there is a prompting-help channel but my question is not realated to prompting. Btw, I totally see the irony in posting the question: where to post questions 😄

stone latch
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What is it about?

languid parcel
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Hey! It's a question on lora training. Should I just ask it here?

stone latch
languid parcel
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Ok thanks, here goes:
Let's say I want to train a lora that blurs faces. I would think that the best approach would be to take some images with faces and blur them in a photo editor and use in my dataset.
What I'm wondering is: how can I use the images without blurred faces to "show" the lora specifically what to add?
I'm hoping this could make the lora very "pure/clean" so It only blurs the face and does not alter any other part of the latent image.
The reasons why I want to try this are:

  1. it would produce a "clean" lora that does not affect anything except from the face (no unwanted style etc. added).
  2. I would skip the whole tagging part of dataset preparation which is a bit of a pain.
narrow kernel
languid parcel
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Hi, thanks for the reply. That's what I thought as well but after a quick test of blurred images in the training data and un-blurred as regularization my model is heavily influenced by the subjects in the training data. So ex. the faces might be slightly blurred but the person looks like the person in the dataset. I might have made an obvious error as I'm pretty new to lora training.

narrow kernel
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are you training for 1.5 or xl? xl is kind of hard to train the text encoders for. also, there are a million ways to screw up training by using the wrong settings.

languid parcel
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for this I used SDXL

narrow kernel
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which optimizer are you using and what settings for it?

languid parcel
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btw, by "text encoder" do you mean altering clip weights with tags?

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I was using adafactor with constant scheduler and 0.0001 learning rate.

narrow kernel
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yes, it's a toggle on/off in both koyha and onetrainer. don't use them for xl, it's not really worth it. and adafactor is a dynamic optimizer where you set all learning rates to 1. it manages them on it's own. personally, i'd recommend using prodigy+constant with bias correction and a weight decay(make sure it's the optimizer one) between 0.05 and 0.1

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are you using koyha?

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if you are, load the preset called something something "now prodigy" and change the batch size to match your gpu limitations. it will have the "weight_decay=0.01 decouple=True d0=0.0001 use_bias_correction=True" tags already with it. you can adjust other settings as needed. i would add --network_train_unet_only to the additional parameters(under advanced) line though, this is what makes it not train the text encoder

languid parcel
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yep, using koyha. "yes, it's a toggle on/off in both koyha and onetrainer." - which toggle is this?
I've heard of prodigy but does it now requre extra arguments? I've not dared to get into that just yet.
"bias correction and a weight decay" - this is over my head 🙂

narrow kernel
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yeah then read what i just said

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i'd also adjust the epochs depending on your dataset size as well, 160 would be overkill if your dataset is like 100 images or something

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but other than that, you're going to have to do a lot of experimenting and a lot of reading up. most of the guides you'll find are centered around 1.5 and not sdxl and what works for one doesn't work for the other really; in terms of settings

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oh and you'll also find a ton of terribly conflicting information as well lol...

languid parcel
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thanks! I find that the guides are usually targeted for training celebs or anime characters so specific things like this are not well documented and I fully agree with the conflicting information. one more thing: when using regularization images, should the repeats match the repeats of my dataset?

brisk ingot
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Hey all! I'm looking to migrate from Midjourney to Stable Diffusion. Is "Draw Things" a good way to start?

narrow kernel
languid parcel
narrow kernel
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np, gl

storm shard
trail crag
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hello

fervent thunder
granite solar
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good day

charred mesa
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damn people are freaking out about SD3 possibly being closed source

opal hedge
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After that everything is easy and you learn a lot about diffusion model's inner workings as well

fathom crane
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hi all

grizzled zealot
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Does the controlnet tile method of upscaling not work anymore?

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Seems controlnet changed its layout and I'm not seeing the needed options.

karmic cedar
charred mesa
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yeah its unfortunate

karmic cedar
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It truly is.

narrow kernel
charred mesa
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ehh

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then what's the purpose of SD3 Turbo

karmic cedar
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What’ll happen next is that laws will set in, and folks will go “…I understand why there are laws, but what if I really did want to just generate a picture of X reading Y, etc.?” And the official response will more or less be “if you want to crowdsource your own data and build your own model from scratch, go for it, etc.” which will give companies excuses to prey after folks’ personal data troves

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So it’s just a mess

charred mesa
#

SD3 Turbo looks good only around 4 steps

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and making it a service would just cost them more than SDXL Turbo

narrow kernel
charred mesa
#

well 24GB is possible

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but I get it

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most people have 12GB and lower

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like 90% of the community

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💀

karmic cedar
#

It’s about control…an abstract dial tuned to the 1%

narrow kernel
#

No, it would be a reduced quant that runs on 24gb

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Afaik, sd3 turbo likely has to stay in all f32 to be worth it as an upgrade to lightning/turbo

lusty beacon
#

Any released date for SD3?

shell tendon
#

No

lusty beacon
#

😦

shell tendon
#

We're mostly just currently hoping it gets released at all

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I'm guessing it still will be but I'm admittedly guessing

lusty beacon
#

why

karmic cedar
#

It’s currently “shaking up the industry” behind closed doors.

shell tendon
#

Emad was pushed to resign

karmic cedar
#

Powerful people don’t want SD3 to be released because of its ability to mimic reality, essentially.

shell tendon
#

And said some weird stuff about how he's leaving to decentralize AI even though he's the majority shareowner

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So the big q I think is whether investors have some kind of agreement in exchange for VC that allows them to overrule decisions by emad

karmic cedar
#

I think they’re all getting equally “pressured”

shell tendon
#

And force a direction that's more closed up that is more immediately focused on profit

karmic cedar
#

I don’t think we’re seeing this bad boy the way it’s been presented to us

shrewd linden
#

Last thing we need is another (overly) curated AI model, I understand the need to be sensible with it but the way openai limit the things you can do is just annoying. for example "a man on a boat with the women wearing a bikini" > flag! beware! ... stupid.

shell tendon
#

Yeah I have zero interest in openai bs

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It's open or it's not and if it's not I'm not bothering

karmic cedar
#

I’ll be honest, I didn’t think this moment would come so soon—but we are living in a desperate world, and even powerful people can be desperate sometimes.

lusty beacon
#

I want to use SD3 so bad xd

shell tendon
#

IDC if it means I need to drop 5k on a massive PC upgrade

#

Same

#

It'll be pretty interesting once ppl realize that most image and audio evidence should not be admissible in court anymore in the way it has been

raven agate
# karmic cedar So it’s just a mess

Yeah, but when open-source becomes unstable or banned or anything of that nature, the lawsuits against the for profit organizations begin 😅. Adobe, Google, Midjourney, OpenAI, Microsoft, Reddit, Facebook, like they are all going to see people's who's data got harvested coming after them, open-source devs with class action suits for using code, concepts, and etc.

The issue with getting Billions of people involved in the creation of a tool, once you attempt to cut them out, they're coming for their share 😅.

This is what I mean by open-source being a buffer against the anti AI crowd. Once open-source is no longer considered a thing, it's all going to fall. All the good will and buffers become additional issues to deal with lol.

karmic cedar
#

But…you can’t be desperate and powerful at the same time.

#

Yes, that.

shell tendon
#

It all needs expert analysis by ppl like us that know exactly what to look for to spot evidence it was generated

#

And that would only catch the sloppier work

karmic cedar
#

Eh, after awhile it will be a matter of context.

#

And then it will be more subjective than ever, relying on actual AI models to detect

shell tendon
#

Anyone that has some decent Photoshop skills can patch up something so well it won't be spotted

#

Yeah ai won't be able to do it reliably

#

So it won't work for court

karmic cedar
#

You must understand that these models generate what are essentially syntactic collages

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And they can be dismantled as such.

raven agate
shell tendon
#

Ive primarily used affinity photo tbh

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Does have some features Photoshop lacks that I really like

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Example of what you can do with swapping faces alone with comfyui and a thorough understanding of frequency separation/image structure/chaining tonal information

karmic cedar
#

FaceFusion is nice

shell tendon
#

Ignore the fingers the only point is the face, you can throw in any image I just gen'd one within the workflow out of laziness

#

This is better than anything I've seen

karmic cedar
#

Though the inswapper devs were equally pressured not to release any of their models about 128

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above*

shell tendon
#

Uses every trick I know of that doest involve manual editing

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Yeah

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It's not as good as this either anyway

#

Look at how the tonal information, the reflections, shadows, positioning and angles of eyes, nose, mouth are all conserved

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That's the biggie and this is just me, an amateur, doing it

karmic cedar
#

Eh

shell tendon
#

Imagine if there's some real financial incentive, and a pro team is behind it

karmic cedar
#

Various people are reaching uncanny valley at their own rates.

#

That’s happening everywhere already man.

shell tendon
#

I'm sure it is

karmic cedar
#

Big Fish don’t like Little Fish.

raven agate
# shell tendon Using what? Lol

You load up the original image, the face you want, use the context aware selection tool (AI tool thats a pre stable diffusion release tool) or lasso tool, then it's just about blending. It's super easy these days even pre widespread AI. There's a super simple way to do the blending to make the New face display proper color and lighting for the subject and the scene. If you good easy photoshop faceswap it will show you how.

It's actually easier to do in photoshop than with AI 😅. Quicker to. Lower end system requirements. Like in every way it's the better way, but, that's not the purpose of these types of groups lol. Deep fake is it's own community.

arctic sedge
#

Do we have anymore news on what is going to happen with SAI?
I'm personally a little bit concerned..

shell tendon
karmic cedar
#

And it’s also a subjective process, made subjective by the various directions you can take these workflows.

shell tendon
#

Or maybe I have, idk

#

I've tried a TON of face swap shit

karmic cedar
#

🙂

shell tendon
#

The workflow I linked to was the first time I got it to the point where I couldn't find obvious issues

karmic cedar
#

Cool.

shell tendon
#

Usually even if it gets the face structure right. The angle will shift, and even if it gets that right, and the tonal info doesn't drift... Color temp etc

#

The lighting will change. A reflection on the corner of a nose will be gone, or diffused etc

#

This preserves all of that

karmic cedar
#

I think the theme for today is, “whoever is winning the game is actually losing the game”

shell tendon
#

#🏞｜general-with-images message an example with the lighting... There's a lot more that can be tweaked to improve each set, this was just from me bashing out a big list of prompts with generic settings

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Yeah

#

If you're really patient I could prolly get it to pull out all the mid frequency data too to really nail the reflections, dirt on the face, etc

karmic cedar
#

I think it’s super impressive that we can find these techniques and use them so effectively. I worry about this week in particular and all of the news developing, because it’s a sign of precedent (i.e., a sign of what will continue to happen with every other open-source startup like Stability from this point on, until actual laws take hold)

shell tendon
#

What we REALLY need is for someone to break nvidias monopoly

karmic cedar
#

That will take politicking of a different order

shell tendon
#

If vram cost what ram cost, we'd be able to crowd source funding for sd3

karmic cedar
#

Crowdsourcing hardware could very well be a grassroots cyberpunk vision of the future, tbh.

shell tendon
#

We'd have cards with 96gb of vram for under 2k

karmic cedar
#

Imagine leagues of A100s just sitting around

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I can lol

shell tendon
#

The direction apple is going is pretty interesting imo

karmic cedar
#

Apple is rotting.

#

That bite hasn’t done them much good.

shell tendon
#

Just using ram and cranking up the bus speed

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We don't need to have the fastest cards, we just need vram-liku speed not the 30x slowdown or whatever it is we get shuttling from Nvidia vram to ourmemory sticks

karmic cedar
#

Yep. Just gotta have 1) a crowd large enough, and a 2) source

#

lol

shell tendon
#

I mean shit isn't the a100 slower than the 4090

#

Indeed

karmic cedar
#

but if the source gets the law dropped on it…

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t h e n w h a t

shell tendon
#

Yeah a100 is slower

trim magnet
#

no it isnt

shell tendon
#

But 80gb vram so it's univeraslly used in place of 4090 despite being 10-15x the price

karmic cedar
#

You know, what could happen with gatekeeping models is that people generate leagues and leagues of images with those models, and then they take those images and make their own spinoff model from it using the same multi-diffusion principles, etc.

#

so, even if these models went closed source, after awhile folks could theoretically farm enough fidelity to make their own

shell tendon
karmic cedar
#

(just musing)

shell tendon
karmic cedar
#

exactly

shell tendon
#

Shit I've used that method with LORAs

trim magnet
#

an a100 gives u like 50 it/s on 1.5 vs the 30 ish it/s from a 4090

karmic cedar
#

What a time to be alive. Heh

#

Yeah, I made a base model entirely out of the oldest color photography set back at the end of 2022.

shell tendon
#

I know there's weird shit with how Nvidia drivers or the 4090 idk which handle stuff too

karmic cedar
#

I bet that stuff only gets weirder lol

shell tendon
#

Grotesque example is the 4090 is only about half utilized by training SDXL

trim magnet
#

because ADA cards have better AI support on their drivers

shell tendon
#

It's not the CPU, I thought it was but I talked with someone on the OneTrainer discord with a lot of exp who has about the fastest Intel chip there is

#

Significantly faster core by core performance vs my 5950x, whatever that chip was

#

And he had the exact same it/s and exact same issue

#

Drives me nuts

shell tendon
#

Tbh if I'm one of the "powers that be" so to speak

#

One of my top concerns is AI malware

karmic cedar
#

Yes, that is absolutely a concern.

shell tendon
#

Espec polymorphic code

karmic cedar
#

Yep, poison

#

YIkes

shell tendon
#

Opportunity for the Terminator 3 scenario

#

Unlikely to be as dramatic

#

But could still be very destructive

karmic cedar
#

Baking polymorphs into datasets such that a specific bias can be flipped to dramatic consequence is a total risk

#

Just like reality’s ecosystems, as the artificial ecosystem grows so do all of the variables that inform / structure it

#

Models will catch colds, the flu….COVID….the Black Plague, etc.

#

lol

shell tendon
#

I'm thinking in terms of bonnet malware that uses its distributed computing resources and an AI LLM to evolve its own code

#

Spam it into the wild, the hallucinated and buggy shit just dies the rest catches fire

karmic cedar
#

Well, that shit is going to devastate by principle.

#

That’s the stuff that will be the most aggressively pushed back against first.

raven agate
#

So, checkpoints actually got phased out for this reason lol. Safetensors became the new standard to avoid that type of scenario.

Can still be "tainted" while training, but only the nee model created. Can't really burry code in them anymore.

shell tendon
raven agate
#

But you used to be able to

karmic cedar
#

But, much like how speedrunners figured out how to do code injection techniques, the same techniques could be improvised in this fashion

shell tendon
#

I'm thinking of states like NK in particular

karmic cedar
#

Our reliance on global information infrastructure has never been more transparent than it is today. Having different countries means having different degrees of enforcement, so…yeah, how you gonna shut something like this down planet-wide?

#

You don’t

#

It just happens and happens and happens

shell tendon
#

Yep

#

And there's states with incentive to wreak havoc

#

Look at stuxnet

karmic cedar
#

So you can take the stance of “I dOn’T lIkE AI, etc.” but that is now equivalent to turning your back on a big boogie monster.

shell tendon
#

If you haven't heard about that search for the wired mag article for a good summary

#

That's ancient technology now

karmic cedar
#

I’m 40

shell tendon
#

Ahh k so you've seen it too then prolly

karmic cedar
#

🙂

shell tendon
#

But yeah espec with AI being around now this is way way way old tech

#

And that shit was crazy

#

Blew my mind when I saw it and took a look myself with ida pro

#

It was like finding a crashed UFO

charred mesa
#

honestly I am not even that hyped about SD3 anymore knowing that only the 2B model might be viable

karmic cedar
#

Yeah, and the principles behind it are also old. I think people are looking at past precedent a lot right now as a means to understand the phenomenon of AI, but it isn’t working very well 🙂

#

hahaha

shell tendon
#

And that was done just by ppl with no AI shit and probably a small team on behalf of a government

charred mesa
#

and that model might look like what 8B looked like in it's half-baked state around very early march and end of february

karmic cedar
#

Y’all familiar with the Gutenberg Press?

shell tendon
#

Yeah I just bring that up as an example of how sophisticated and sneaky malware can really get, and what state actors can produce with dedicated teams and the resources of a government... Access to treasure troves of 0day sploits etc

#

I am

karmic cedar
#

Before 1440, you couldn’t copy anything. Writing was effectively holy. Closed source.

#

🙂

#

We are living in a Renaissance-like time, only it might be the end of the first one.

shell tendon
#

Yup

karmic cedar
#

Sigh

shell tendon
#

Its the most exciting, promising, threatening, dangerous period in history

karmic cedar
#

You know it

shell tendon
#

I don't think the future has ever been more unclear

karmic cedar
#

I’ve never felt so clear at the same time

#

It’s pretty cool.

shell tendon
#

Mhm

karmic cedar
#

I’ve got a radio show starting tomorrow and I’m putting up a lot of music that has influenced me through this stuff.

#

First track is “This Is Now” by The Knife… good stuff 🙂

shell tendon
#

you a radio host?

karmic cedar
#

90.3 / 98.3 FM Freeform Portland

shell tendon
#

awesome 🙂

karmic cedar
#

(volunteer-run)

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I have a two hour block tomorrow, 10 AM - 12 PM PST

shell tendon
#

very cool

#

like the site 🙂

karmic cedar
#

😄 AI voices throughout.

shell tendon
#

lots of good stuff

karmic cedar
#

I’m making it like a Dr. Demento sort of old school radio show

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With sound effects, etc.

shell tendon
#

i've def heard that track btw

karmic cedar
#

But it’s 95% music tho

#

nice

#

it’s good!

shell tendon
#

no idea where, probably a mix from a long while ago

#

it is 🙂

karmic cedar
#

I’m aiming for a lot of unique dance tracks and some indie rock, some hip hop too

shell tendon
#

sonuds like a good mix

#

i had some friends that had their own radio station in buffalo a number of years ago

#

kinda, uh, sorta, well, "shared" a frequency with a local christian music station

karmic cedar
#

ahhhh, that sounds…like an odd couple lol

#

hopefully they got along?

shell tendon
#

i remember once coming over a hill on the freeway and they had that station on and i was like uh why is this on? then it suddenly cut from happy hymns etc to some stoner rambling about how to remove piss stains from a mattress lol

#

(it was pirate radio)

karmic cedar
#

rotfl that’s amazing

#

that would make for such a weird img2img project

shell tendon
#

lol yeah

karmic cedar
#

have you done any motion projects?

shell tendon
#

only one tiny silly thing

karmic cedar
#

Well that’s something 🙂

shell tendon
karmic cedar
#

There’s the next big action set piece for Action Hero Movie #28372735852: “A bunch of masked criminals wearing extra-digited fingers, with some of the higher up criminals wearing cloned heads, attacking a…BANK!”

shell tendon
#

yuuup lol

#

that image is hilarious, and a joke, yet.... honestly, a good idea lol

#

and def where we're headed

#

get some ingrown hairs going on your forehead and it'll look like your hairline was edited by AI and maybe your face was swapped

karmic cedar
#

it’s funny how Minority Report harnessed so much truth. I mean, Philip K. Dick was good like that

#

I think A Scanner Darkly is also super relevant right now

#

more than when it even came out

shell tendon
#

definitely

#

first episode blew my fn mind

#

and is going to be extreemly relevant before long

#

the rest are alright, there's another that's really good but that first one "Real Life" stood out

karmic cedar
#

I really liked the episode with Janelle Monae

shell tendon
#

which one is that? tbh, i was deliriously tired and kept falling asleep in most of these

#

so my memory is hazy with a lot of em

karmic cedar
#

it’s the metaphor for an AI-operated amazon warehouse that delivers stuff via drones

#

i can’t remember much either

shell tendon
#

oh, yeah, talk about prophetic

karmic cedar
#

lol

sudden ruin
ivory merlin
shell tendon
#

MJ and DallE are ass

ivory merlin
#

I personally like Midjourney the best

dusk canopy
#

guys

#

one of us do 10 pushups

#

if you do 10 pushups ill do 10

ivory merlin
#

done

#

your turn!

clear radish
#

Is it safe to assume the bot channels will never come back again? I may have missed something, not sure. Will we ever be able to make content in the server again?

gaunt pulsar
karmic cedar
#

Just wait…the Noob Saibot of diffusion models is going to drop somewhere eventually

#

“A NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES”

shell tendon
open geode
#

how to use stable diffusion to generate image?

shell tendon
#

MJ is nice and all, but it's childs play compared to the world of possibilities we enjoy

#

if i had a free sub to MJ and Dalle3 but no local GPU, i'd get bored with image generation within a few weeks and be done with it

gaunt pulsar
#

You can't, they are immune to damage in literally all games

true canopy
#

once uve had a taste of the freedom of sd, its pretty hard to go back

karmic cedar
#

Ooo a parody account

true canopy
#

i cant believe sdxl has only been out for 8 months, i thoufh it was older

ivory merlin
karmic cedar
#

Do you have stairs in your living space?

gaunt pulsar
#

They are probably 11 years old

true canopy
#

haha so it rly was the pollstarter who voted mid = )

dusk canopy
#

do 10 pushups

#

then talk

karmic cedar
#

I hope you wear a helmet when you’re changing elevation, being out in public, etc.

ivory merlin
dusk canopy
#

i can squeeze your head in my arm lil bro

#

💀

gaunt pulsar
dusk canopy
#

you clearly have a few learning disabilities

#

maybe we have to dumb down our responses abit

gaunt pulsar
#

I mean they are probably 11

dusk canopy
#

you squeeze your step dads what?

karmic cedar
#

If this guy was an AI model he’d be about 500m parameters

#

Which isn’t much

#

Is that some special year or something you’re all about?

#

Silly little troll

dusk canopy
#

im suprised hes still on discord

#

💀

karmic cedar
#

Go learn more words.

dusk canopy
#

or she

karmic cedar
#

This is for artists

gaunt pulsar
#

Go tell your parents what you are doing and they will tell you it's wrong

charred mesa
dusk canopy
#

"im gonna make you my girlfriend"

ivory merlin
dusk canopy
#

imagination is key

karmic cedar
dusk canopy
#

he has real parents not fairy odd parents

#

schizophrenia goes hard

ivory merlin
karmic cedar
#

It’s subjective that’s all

charred mesa
#

prompting is an art!!! (1girl, big boob, intricate) 🔥 /s

true canopy
#

so i see that ur a Ice Poseidon fan

full lark
charred mesa
#

lol

charred mesa
ivory merlin
#

Ok everyone. Lol the stable diffusion discord is funny

charred mesa
#

that was like a year ago lmao

karmic cedar
#

It’s like a Twitter bot somehow found its way into a chat room

#

You left out some words up there

full lark
#

Nah twitter is better than x

karmic cedar
#

It’s incredible what you can deduce from what is unspoken

shell tendon
full lark
#

Wait @native plover if that´s your nick...how you still alive?

shell tendon
#

don't respond to the troll

#

bxlock them

#

i already alerted the mods

karmic cedar
#

Well they’re going to keep talking until they get bored

#

So might as well feed them

#

Right?

#

Feed the troll!

charred mesa
#

lol

#

🍿

true canopy
#

somsone on his older brother computer lol

karmic cedar
#

He’s hungry

#

He wants to know

charred mesa
#

LMAO

karmic cedar
#

He wants knowledge

#

He doesn’t have it

full lark
#

Someone is on the primary school computer

true canopy
#

u know all about that dont you

karmic cedar
#

The what? What’s that?

#

Anyone want to google that word he dropped?

#

Or is it just a misspell

true canopy
#

he tried to spell a word and failed, prob couldnt reach the keyboard properly

karmic cedar
#

Nah

#

Yeah that’s what I’m thinking

#

Ohhhh I get it

#

Thank you sir

charred mesa
#

lol

karmic cedar
#

Play what?

#

Oh that’s a game

#

I quit video games a long time ago.

charred mesa
#

based

karmic cedar
#

Nah, I did drugs.

#

Close!

#

You wish.

#

lol

gaunt pulsar
#

Who is your main character in Genshin?

karmic cedar
#

Wario

true canopy
fervent thunder
true canopy
#

thats for u

#

we know u are going thru stuff, but we still love you very much, its okey kid

fervent thunder
#

i dont love u

karmic cedar
#

What is that is that an inter net web sight?

#

Does that go to a web page?

#

With web page things on it?

fervent thunder
#

i mean it says gore in the url

karmic cedar
#

Ohhhh that sounds bad.

#

Ohhh you’re a bad troll

#

lol

fervent thunder
#

3k hangs there every day

karmic cedar
#

Trump is stopping himself.

#

lol

#

Who?

#

lol

true canopy
#

its alright to just block, alex

shy cove
#

what plugins do you guys reccomend i use if i want the AI to generate text perfectly

#

for logo's

fervent thunder
karmic cedar
#

That’s true. I suppose I’ve had my fill for today. Thanks troll ✌️

#

Slava

#

Whew

#

Anyway, moving on.

gaunt pulsar
#

I have never been as excited for something as SD3, so I'm really hoping Stability gets well soon

full lark
#

x2

karmic cedar
#

I am excited for it, but…

charred mesa
#

same

karmic cedar
#

I don’t expect much these days

fervent thunder
#

haven't heard of it

true canopy
#

have anyone heard anything from emad today? any update from him?

charred mesa
#

but now that I expect only to run the 2B model I might not even care as much

fervent thunder
#

planned to be released like next year or what

charred mesa
gaunt pulsar
#

No updates yet on Twitter

charred mesa
#

my hype kind of died entirely

#

almost dead silence since like 18th

karmic cedar
#

SD3 triggered the whales

shy cove
#

did you assholes remove my post?

charred mesa
#

which post

fervent thunder
#

no

karmic cedar
#

?

fervent thunder
#

it's there

shy cove
#

what plugins do you guys reccomend i use if i want the AI to generate text perfectly
for logo's

#

ohh

#

i didnt see it

karmic cedar
#

Rotfl

fervent thunder
karmic cedar
#

No idea man.

shy cove
#

sad times

karmic cedar
#

Stable Diffusion 3 can!

true canopy
#

coming in here calling people assholes immidiatly lol

gaunt pulsar
#

SD3 is just better than anything we have. The possibilities are endless for an open source model as powerful as that, it's not just hype

shy cove
#

i said make a logo that said "logo" and it wrote "lioga"

karmic cedar
#

Sounds like convolution alright

fervent thunder
shy cove
#

is SD3 released?

karmic cedar
#

No.

#

Probably won’t be

#

lol

fervent thunder
#

like when mods randomly remove ur msg and u start gaslighting urself like

#

tf

#

didn't i type this

#

where is it

shy cove
#

the world is revolting

karmic cedar
#

Because it promises too much for the “average” person.

#

It does something that a professional marketer already works their ass off for 100k a year to do

#

Those poor marketers!

shy cove
#

lol

#

you believe that?

#

bs.

gaunt pulsar
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I think it will be a massive loss for the world if SD3 isn't released in the long run. Just look at what a big open source revolution was led just by the release of 1.5, and it might have a massive effect long term compared to if 1.5 was never released

karmic cedar
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I believe it.

shy cove
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the world is growing from anguish

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and you expect people to hold back?

karmic cedar
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I do not.

shy cove
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no way man

karmic cedar
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I expect resistance at every turn

sterile raven
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You camt hold back progress cuz some people will lose their jobs

shy cove
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nuera link just got implaneted in a human a

sterile raven
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The world moves on. With or without you

fervent thunder
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i still dunno what the release date is yet. there is none? then why even hype it up

true canopy
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when we get new powerful gpus, sd3 will take over and become norm, like sd 1.5

shy cove
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and were talking about somoneone gatekeeping a llm

karmic cedar
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I think we’re members of the same choir, sir

shy cove
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lmfaoo

full lark
true canopy
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if it gets release open source

karmic cedar
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I am a baritone

shy cove
fervent thunder
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i have a baritone guitar

karmic cedar
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Nice!

fervent thunder
karmic cedar
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Nothing lol

shy cove
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these idiots are going to release new tech even if it kills them.

fervent thunder
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oh okay lol

karmic cedar
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Well, Emad was trying to release SD3. He went from “it’s almost here!” to “I quit”

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So…

true canopy
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it might still happen

karmic cedar
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The brick wall has been encountered.

full lark
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The problem is that everyone boicots ONLY stable diffusion and not midjourney or dalle, or at least the majority of dumb artists...that probably get paid by openAI and Microsoft

gaunt pulsar
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Open source should never be boycotted, only closed source

karmic cedar
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And yet

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Who boycotts whom

fervent thunder
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do you think doing art out of love is dumb?

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not like a job

shy cove
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AI cannot generate the connection of love between art.

karmic cedar
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Nonsense.

true canopy
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since some people have gotten hold of sd3 alrdy, doesent that improve chances that its going open source?

full lark
shy cove
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therfore the real movement in the world is artist

cedar salmon
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i boycot openAi only

shy cove
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AI generated music will never be close to human capability

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mark my words.

karmic cedar
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I can only speak for myself, at the end of the day.

full lark
fervent thunder
karmic cedar
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Humans enrich the data; synthetic data is still data grown from an exact pool of variables.

stone latch
arctic sedge
fervent thunder
full lark
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The problem are not artists @fervent thunder the problem is that some artist "steal" from other artists and nobody say a thing, but when an AI does the same thing (it its not the same thing), many artists lose their minds

fervent thunder
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yeah that's hypocrisy

karmic cedar
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It challenges the notion of stealing by showing a neurobiological representation of creativity within a synthetic environment

shell tendon
fervent thunder
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i mean

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that's kind what art is

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u take 2 thing combine them

shell tendon
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well, there's inspiration, there's stealing, and then there's everything in between, which is kinda everything tbh

fervent thunder
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straight up copy paste is a bit diff tho

cedar salmon
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should of never releases colored pencils, its been a downward slope for artists since then

shell tendon
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it's usually obv as f though if someone is traight up ripping someone off

fervent thunder
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yea

karmic cedar
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As human creatives, we think symbolically and diffuse our ideas with similar symbolic weight and bias.

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That’s what creativity is. Remixing. lol

stone latch
# full lark The problem are not artists <@456226577798135808> the problem is that some artis...

Similar technology isn't as dismissed, likely because it's labeled as "AI". Snapchat filters are fine (they are) but throw in AI and you might upset a bunch of folks. I went on a tangent about this the other day, and here's one of my paragraphs:

If the tools that had been created up until now didn't cause such a huge uproar, such as digital audio workstations, image manipulation software, video manipulation software, grammar checkers, and so on - why does AI do that? I think many people forget that AI isn't exactly "AI" - it can't think or reason. And it's human-made just like the rest of the software we use every single day.

full lark
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Another problem is that this AI generates IMAGES , not art, the ones that say that generates art are the youtubers, and news sites that use clickbait so artist can fight with people to use AI and they get a lot of views, comments and things like that

true canopy
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behold gentlemen

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from today

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CTO and co-interim CEO at Stability AI

karmic cedar
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“Improving” the model? It’s at least as good as Cascade from the look of all the samples.

pale latch
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invites to the test bot were being rolled out. we're still 2 steps behind where we were in the roll out

karmic cedar
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They are neutering it.

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He’s candy coating

true canopy
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thats still the guy taking over after emad saying they are going to release sd3 open source, is it not?

stone latch
true canopy
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unless my eyes are broken

karmic cedar
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They are probably doing what has been suggested earlier, a lighter weight variant

pale latch
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i dont believe wer'e at a level where we can compare image quality anymore. or human preference of each images. Prompt comprehension and how easy the transformers are to further refine, is the big concern

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cascade is still a unet model. can't compare that as easily

karmic cedar
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I just have this instinct that there is some homogenization happening on the dataset level

karmic cedar
pale latch
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consider that it has 8b parameters. a dozen images aren't going to reveal many truths about the capabilities

karmic cedar
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I’m basing this off of all the drama, as well.

pale latch
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no doubt i'm worried too

full lark
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I wonder what kind of dataset used midjourney for their v6, if it was just quality or a lot of images

true canopy
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can someone who has twitter link that tweet in here?, so we can confirm it?

karmic cedar
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I guess time will tell.

prisma horizon
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photo shop programs are full of ai.
fillers, ai to stright lines, ai to correct smudges, ai that predict the intentions of the artist and assist in it

cedar salmon
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AI is 100 years old

pale latch
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my guess is their partnership with render network has them holding back any information until render gets their shit together and reveals something

pale latch
# cedar salmon AI is 100 years old

yeah cause it was developed 100 years in the future and they sent agents back in time to recreate itself. we know. we all saw the documentaries

karmic cedar
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AI was invented by a man named Gustaf Karllson in 1927, out of a potato control net!

potent spire
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why shouldnt i boycott open source ever?

full lark
pale latch
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boycotts don't work anyways. not in the mass connected age

full lark
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What are you talking about

prisma horizon
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their problem is that, it bein open source, every idiot, even me, with half a brain and enough computational power can gen images

potent spire
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boycotts rarely work

full lark
pale latch
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individually, we can boycott stuff, but to what end?

shell tendon
karmic cedar
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It’s about the prestige of the experience as well. That’s something people seem to want more control of, in the end.

pale latch
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i boycott gnome because the developer community around gnome decided FOSS principles don't matter anymore

potent spire
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what is gnome

true canopy
prisma horizon
full lark
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Aaah you mean to people who work with that, in that case, maybe

pale latch
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kde all the way !

potent spire
pale latch
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i boycott emacs because vi is better

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ohhh wait.. holy shit. emacs, emads, coincidence?!

potent spire
pale latch
full lark
potent spire
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Stability AI still has big issues to solve

full lark
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Its used by all the government for censorship

potent spire
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or do you need extreme examples to showcase you that regulations are needed

full lark
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Why do you think you cant generate putin or xi jinping in chinese AIs that run online? just to give a dumb example

potent spire
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no just with gen AI ofc

pale latch
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recorded audio, like music albums... so much better sounding back when bands needed a literal audio engineer on their team to produce an album that sounded good.

now it's just push button auto tune and only a small percentage of recording artists care about the nuances.

karmic cedar
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AI is very slippery. We evolved out of water, we have a tendency towards acting slippery

potent spire
karmic cedar
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If one person tries to stabilize AI, another person will destabilize that

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And so on and so on

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It’s a slippery slope

pale latch
potent spire
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i mean its far from being "too good to be true" as of now

karmic cedar
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Depends on the application, my guy.

potent spire
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in art (both 2D and 3D), in coding, in other areas

pale latch
full lark
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its always the corrupt government fault (and corporations too, of course)

pale latch
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those that collude at the highest levels are trying to project this idea that corporations care about the health of society

karmic cedar
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Actions always speak louder than words

potent spire
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they may or may not but they have also obligations towards investors and shareholders

karmic cedar
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The older I get, the more I know this to be true

full lark
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Nah, corporations want money, they would sell people if its legal

pale latch
prisma horizon
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regulations are always and only in favor of the rich

potent spire
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and Stability AI is in the position it is because they couldnt drw more investors with more money to fund

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draw

potent spire
full lark
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I wouldn´t

karmic cedar
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Nah, he wouldn’t and neither would I

pale latch
karmic cedar
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Don’t project your own desperation on others

potent spire
full lark
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No, i would even starve to death instead of stealing food

potent spire
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doubt so

karmic cedar
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We all have instincts, Infidelis—but where do you live that you might feel this truth with so much conviction?

full lark
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So you would do it? @potent spire

pale latch
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last i checked, stability was doubling down on block chain businesses. i think they'll become a shell corp and extract their value from block chain grifts

potent spire
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what i wrote is ofc partially what i mean and partially playing the devils advocate

potent spire
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let alone if my family was starving to death

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i would go well beyond that in that case

pale latch
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i've stolen food just because i was drunk and hungry

prisma horizon
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the video can't be seen in eu or usa. maybe in brics zone?

pale latch
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told mcdonalds they fucked up my order, but you know what? i never ordered

potent spire
full lark
prisma horizon
karmic cedar
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I for one am grateful we’re not at the level of this discussion being a reality

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lol

full lark
pale latch
prisma horizon
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yeah, me too

full lark
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Not even yt-dlp with a vpn can download it, so strange

potent spire
pale latch
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2 hours long. the original is good too. Analyzes how the modern corporation is a psychopathic entity

prisma horizon
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i'm jumping from a country to another, still no result

karmic cedar
potent spire
pale latch
karmic cedar
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Okay off topic but why won’t Pam from Cannot Be Tamed wear funny costumes now and then

prisma horizon
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usa doesn't work, netherland neither, maybe canada?

pale latch
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i'm in canada and it works. so if it's not then youtube is just detecting your geo trix

prisma horizon
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oh

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i have an idea

pale latch
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thats how it always starts

prisma horizon
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not even torrent works

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i have other options

pale latch
karmic cedar
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Nvidia is turning into Willy Wonka’s factory

full lark
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If only they released consumer grade GPUs with more vram 🥺

karmic cedar
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I’m sorry I said Willy Wonka, but I think I mean Aperture Science

shy cove
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so theres 0% chance i can get the text to generate properly..

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?

pale latch
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with that attitude yeah

shy cove
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attitude?

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what are u a soccer dad

dusk canopy
charred mesa
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lol

dusk canopy
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bro starting shit for no reaosn

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reason

pale latch
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you just need to believe

shy cove
pale latch
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but yeah mostly, existing stable diffusion models sort of use the text like guide rails in an open plane of latents. rather than like a specific track

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prompt comprehension isn't great

shy cove
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i see

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so its blind

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but it generates images

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def no control there at all

pale latch
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theres some control

shy cove
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i was being sarcastic

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its limited to a degree

pale latch
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what are you? a soccer dad!?

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gottem

shy cove
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u tried it buddy

honest spear
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text with controlnet isn't that bad, at least judging by the 2 or 3 times I tried

karmic cedar
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There are ways to make text happen, but they involve more artistry

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And those tools already exist in droves

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But AI can get you 95% of the way there

astral goblet
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people want that startrek holodeck. Where the computer never misses a beat and knows exactly what you want, even if you just give some vague description.

karmic cedar
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It’s as if they want something that does more than wait at a command line

astral goblet
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we're not there yet. its more like an intelligent paint brush. the artist still has most of the agency

karmic cedar
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🙂

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people are actively inducting reasons towards autonomous functionality as it relates to the user experience, etc.

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and then powerful folks like musk are deducting from symbols of futurism like “the robot” and “the robot car” etc

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like that one headline about how tesla is ready to shift to humanoid robot workers—like how is that not just clever marketing? how on earth is a humanoid robot more efficient than a specialized design when it comes to assembling an automobile?

full lark
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The humanoid robot is just a show off , i dont think it would be useful for anything related to moving heavy things

loud solar
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Human body is pretty flexible ...

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So if you need an allround robot that does human work ... ... ...

karmic cedar
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it’s his way of seeding the robot concept further and further but keeping it anchored to his brand identities

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but, like the cybertruck, it’s his concept

meager sage
potent spire
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meanwhile those things dont even know that Harry Potter isnt real

honest spear
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Boston Dynamics said that for them it's too costly producing humanoids for single tasks, but also said there are other people that can make them and make it profitable

karmic cedar
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“profitable”

shy cove
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can we just take a moment to realize what are bodies are worth? i find it amazing how everything we created was inspired from the human body.

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fuck AI we have souls

astral goblet
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if a soul exists, it can be engineered

full lark
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True 😁

shy cove
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self is the lie the evil sells us

astral goblet
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theres no magic in reality. if it happens, we can machine it

shy cove
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in obtain for our soul

full lark
shy cove
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take mushrooms

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and youll see real magic

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this life isn't just fairytailes and rainbows